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David Codey (61)
The Netherlands have been Cycle mad for a very long time. Their Cycle infrastructure decades ahead of modt other countries. But more importantly they have respect and tolerence of each other. Something sadly missing on many levels in Australian society. All that is need is a change of attitude from cyclists and drivers and most of our problems would disappear. Unfortunately I can't see it happening anytime soon.

I still hate Lycra

And most of them are 6ft tall bronzed Amazonian women with perfect complexions, cycling leisurely around the city. The biggest risk of injury is a neck problem due to having to crane to see them all.
 

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Phil Kearns (64)
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One of the things I dislike in politics is people pointing to Northern European quasi-socialist countries and shouting 'if Norway/Sweden/Denmark/Netherlands/Finland can do it, why can't we?'. Healthcare and schooling are always prime topics, but cycling occasionally rears its head. There are many reasons why it would be incredibly difficult to implement such a system in Sydney, and the main two are geography and culture.

Geography is the obvious, we have a whopping great harbour in the middle of the city, a high level of urban sprawl, and an undulating city centre. A lot of this comes from building a city on the coast. In short it would be bloody hard to get around, and damn near impossible for anyone who isn't in good shape. Also we don't have a culture of cycling, and that is very hard to create artificially. As much as we have a few cyclists on this board, they are a very small minority and widely derided (rightfully so). Government created cycleways have been practically ignored (eg M7, Epping Rd).
 

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John Eales (66)
One of the things I dislike in politics is people pointing to Northern European quasi-socialist countries and shouting 'if Norway/Sweden/Denmark/Netherlands/Finland can do it, why can't we?'. Healthcare and schooling are always prime topics, but cycling occasionally rears its head. There are many reasons why it would be incredibly difficult to implement such a system in Sydney, and the main two are geography and culture.

Geography is the obvious, we have a whopping great harbour in the middle of the city, a high level of urban sprawl, and an undulating city centre. A lot of this comes from building a city on the coast. In short it would be bloody hard to get around, and damn near impossible for anyone who isn't in good shape. Also we don't have a culture of cycling, and that is very hard to create artificially. As much as we have a few cyclists on this board, they are a very small minority and widely derided (rightfully so). Government created cycleways have been practically ignored (eg M7, Epping Rd).

Totally agree. People have this idealised view of the Nordic countries, without really knowing a lot about their way of life. It's really quite different from ours.

As far as the cycling goes, once again spot on (well apart from the derision :) ). There is no way I would ride to work if I didn't have:

a, A cycling path most of the way
b, Showers at the office. I sweat like a bush pig when I get off the bike
c, A reasonably flat ride most of the way.
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
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This one!
The Netherlands have been Cycle mad for a very long time. Their Cycle infrastructure decades ahead of modt other countries. But more importantly they have respect and tolerence of each other. Something sadly missing on many levels in Australian society. All that is need is a change of attitude from cyclists and drivers and most of our problems would disappear. Unfortunately I can't see it happening anytime soon.

I still hate Lycra
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Government created cycleways have been practically ignored (eg M7, Epping Rd).
That's because they started from the wrong end. I was thinking 'awesome, I can ride in and use the Epping Road cycleway'. Which is great, until I have to go Narremburn and then I'm on public roads have have to negotiate the Pacific Highway through North Sydney's CBD. Would much rather go up the Epping Road bus lane, or even the lane cove backstreets than go through North Sydney.
 
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