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NRC onwards and upwards

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by RugbyReg, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. Show-n-go Banned

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    Clearly isn’t that cut and dry though is it

    My “obvious” team is Sydney however I feel absolutely no affinity to that team whatsoever, or any of the others really for that matter. I know I’m not alone in this
  2. Derpus David Codey (61)

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    Takes time for these things to develop and older folk who are set in their ways probably won't ever adopt a new team.
  3. Show-n-go Banned

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    But see your logic to begin with was that you support the team where you live (and fair enough) but after the change you no longer follow that logic and have changed teams (again fair enough)

    this shows me that there’s a distinct lack of identity and sense of belonging with some of the current teams

    Can I ask if the rams and country were both in the comp who would you support?
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  4. Brumby Runner John Eales (66)

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    I think the NRC is capable of meeting all of those objectives, but I cannot see how a club championship would in any way meet them.
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  5. WorkingClassRugger Steve Williams (59)

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    I supported the Rams right up until Eastwood took over. That should give you an idea.
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  6. Show-n-go Banned

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    So following on from what you’ve previously said, would I be right in saying there’s not really a team that represents you in the NRC?Yes you’ve selected a side to support and have some sort of connection however it obviously isn’t your first choice. From a rugby supporter that lives in rugby heartland of Sydney that seems like a problem to me, one that can easily be rectified by resuming the Rays, Rams, and Fleet
  7. WorkingClassRugger Steve Williams (59)

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    I'd go back to the Rams if they were to return. Absolutely.
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  8. molman Dick Tooth (41)

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    As others mentioned the whole try and create tribalisim with leting the clubs be more involved is what we had when the NRC launched with teams like Sydney Stars, NSW Country Eagles, North Harbour Rays, and the Greater Sydney Rams. They had the whole idea to try and align certain SS clubs to 'their' NRC club. We saw how that went, which was not well. I mean, half the issue is that often the most tribalisim is with your next closest club so having those teams feed into teh same NRC team wasn't ideal on that front anyway and things like Sydney Uni feeding into NSW Country was just odd anyway.

    The other thing you need to keep in mind is all clubs start somewhere. In Sydney alone we've had teams come and go in many sports - League has gone through the whole post Super League era, the AFL have seeded everything from a Sydney to Western Sydney Team, old NSL soccer clubs have died and new ones like Wanderers in the A League have risen. With the right marketing and by having a good/entertaining product, tribalisim can be created.

    In terms of NSW needing more than two teams, maybe I'll believe that when they actually win the NRC. Runner up in 2016 is it to date.
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  9. molman Dick Tooth (41)

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    Im curious, is the term Country dated or is it still representative of those not from the Capital? I say this as predominately a city boy, so I don't really know, but in NSW I doubt Wollongong or Newcastle really align themselves with the term 'country'?
  10. WorkingClassRugger Steve Williams (59)

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    It's an interesting question. Having lived in Wollongong I don't think many would consider themselves living in the 'country'. However, in terms of sports they are aligned as so.
  11. Show-n-go Banned

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    So my overall picture is obviously NSW going back to 3 teams

    Rays, Rams and Fleet

    Each team has 4 feeder Shute shield clubs - Part of the reason this didn’t work last time was because the Shute clubs had too much power, in my scenario they are there literally figureheads and part of the pathway they have no authority or any power in the running, all the governance still remains with NSWRU? Whoever the hell runs it now

    Shute shield players can only play for their pathway club except for X amount of squad spots (let’s say 4-5) that can be filled with people outside of the catchment, this is to help even out the teams as needed or if the tahs want certain players playing together

    Yes splitting to 3 teams will “weaken” the NSW teams more however I’d argue with the non-existent lead in time, the likelihood of club combinations continuing through to NRC level may actually work out to be better quality footy as players don’t spend the first 2-3 rounds meeting each other in the carpark before a game

    By splitting to 3 we get more club guys involved and potential for a more even spread of involvement from all clubs players which in turn hopefully leads to more buyin from clubs as it overall benefits their players

    Each club in the catchment gets a home game, chuck in a country game or two per year as per one of my previous post (fleet southern nsw, Rams western nsw and rays northern nsw)

    In summary
    positives:
    *more players involved - more chances at the next level
    *club combinations more likely to filter through resulting in attractive rugby = better product
    *some semblance of tribalism
    *more likely to have buy-in from clubs

    Negatives
    *potential weakens nsw in the nrc further
    *disenfranchisement of country contingent with removal of eagles
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  12. Silverado Arch Winning (36)

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    Newcastle (and Illawarra) still plays in the country championship each year and get picked for NSW Country from that, so I would say yes. If Sydney and Country played in Newcastle they'd be supporting country
  13. Teh Other Dave Nev Cottrell (35)

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    Thing is, if you keep piss-farting around with the teams, nobody will ever develop any 'affinity' or following with a team. Keep it fairly simple. Queensland stuck to City and Country, put players with substantial links to the country in the country squad and then supplemented it with other players. The teams are competitive because of buy-in from players and staff. Get enough people to have a good day watching good footy a and they'll want to come back.

    The whole QPR/SRU club rivalry thing is a bit of a furphy to me. These NRC teams are rep teams. They're meant to consist of players from different clubs. I can't think of any Queenslander who stopped supporting the Reds or Wallabies because John Eales and Slaughter McCall played for the filth.
  14. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Sounds to me that the only issue here is NSW. Everyone else seems to be pretty happy with how the NRC is shaping up.
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  15. Silverado Arch Winning (36)

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    I don't know, it's only a couple of posters who want change. When NSW had 3 teams they were all terrible. There isn't enough depth in SS to match it with semi professional outfits like the Force and Drua, and the best SR franchise has one team in the NRC. This year NSW teams had 2 teams and both missed out on finals.At least Country went close and Sydney were improved. They need to stop chopping and changing if they expect anyone to align with a team
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  16. WorkingClassRugger Steve Williams (59)

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    If RA wants to experiment with the NRC they should first look to do so with things like marketing and promotion. Move it back a little. Push it to the public and actually see if we can get something going here.
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  17. mst Ken Catchpole (46)

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    I think this could be the real is salt and reason for resistance around the whole NRC concept. Accepting that the Shute will be tier 4 and that NSW no longer has that abundant talent pool of the past are harsh reality to accept. For some its an admission that the Shute's best days are gone and now relegated to history. It's also a loss of power and position in the grand scheme of rugby in Australia.

    If there is a need for a third NSW team then base it out of southern NSW (call it country FWIW) with a few NSW based players, topped up with excess ACT players (Brumbies), Victorian players (Rebels) and any other leftovers or even some ringins (possibly Force players). That way all SR franchises are feeding two teams and it's more opportunity for players.
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  18. dru Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Personally, Sydney and Brisbane fans have a team to get behind during Super. We can stream for NRC.

    Base the state NRC teams in one country town only for all the home games in NRC. In Qld, one in Rocky/Gladstone and one Toowoomba. NSW Mudgee and Armidale or something.

    Guessing there on the locations but let them build a consistent home base. Bet they end up with bigger crowds than now.
  19. Show-n-go Banned

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    Don’t think the average non super rugby guys earn enough to be away from home consistently

    I’m sure their regular employers wouldn’t be too thrilled about them being away for that long either
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  20. RugbyReg George Smith (75)

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    do you think there is money to put up (sleep, feed and entertain) 35 + people in a regional time (plus flying them around) for 2 months? Twice?

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