Debating4life
Bob McCowan (2)
Thanks for this. Now it’s obv why Alos didn’t veto the indigenous topic. Second motion could be even more neg weighted than the first ! Assume grammar vetoed the third.
I won’t get into a green and gold debate over this, but topic two really isn’t as neg weighted as it may seem to you at first glance. The chief adjudicator isn’t an idiot and selects the topics in a legitimate fashion, with the resources she has available. I find it unbelievable that this forum constantly argues over everything from complaining about adjudicator quality, when the ISDA is a 32 school competition across 8 years, to complaining about whether high school teams should have reached the stage they are in.From what I heard, grammar did indeed veto the third, aloys vetoed the second. the neg won both debates in the senior a and b on the first nations and media topics respectively, aloys and kambala both look like they were given a rough night of it.
out of interest, who exactly was saying this? seems a pretty big claim to make given the results across seniors and what the topics actually were. i would sincerely hope there arent grammar diehards at it again.
I’m rather disappointed actually that it’s so unclear to some members what constitutes badgering. The debater-esque euphemisms and roundabout ways of insulting, and simply making negative comments on teams absolutely does not go over these high schoolers’ heads. They read them, they understand them, and they are affected by them.
I’m using Grammar as an example because it’s what has occurred this year, but it has occurred with plenty of schools in years past including High and Abottsleigh. I just want these members to consider that Grammar has won against aloys unanimously in clean sweep of 4 issues, with a historic audience. Despite this fact, I have seen consistently negative commentary on this team with merely rhetorical and anecdotal basis. For these types of comments on talent and skill to be made on a unanimously winning ISDA team, I think this speaks volumes on the nature of this forum.
No, I do not agree with the Grammar diehards that it is anti-Grammar bias. It is simply a group of people on this forum, excluding members such as Debater, who cannot find anything better to do than to make negative comments on high school - high school - teams. Or maybe their years of debating have desensitised them to emotional impact.
As was told to me by some circuit coaches I've been speaking with, this forum is a frequent matter of discussion among debating coordinators and school senior staff, for all the wrong reasons.
Moving onto GPS, I hope this might change.
A huge congrats to both Aloys and Grammar teams for reaching the grand finals. It was well deserved by both teams which are both excellent. Well done to Grammar for their ultimate victory, and well done to Aloys for their runners up position.
for members of those teams reading this, please do not listen to members of this forum. Your excellence is proven through your achievements; your achievements are deeply commendable. You will no doubt all go on to achieve even greater and better things in the future.
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