Pumas v Wallabies, Rosario, 5th October 2013
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firstly I'm sick and tired of being called biased simply because I see things differently to you mob and secondly not one of you took a second look in the time since I posted so who exactly is taking a predetermined view here?
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Even though I say it myself, I like to think my posting history shows I am one of the most unbiased people on this forum.
I watched it in replay a thousand times yesterday, Sully. If Simmons really was just standing his ground and FC ran into him, I would have been the first to say it.
But he wasn't. And it was exactly how I described it a few posts ago.
I took a second look. And then a third one. I think you are incorrect.
And don't forget you were the one who brought the b-word into this discussion.
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John Eales (66)
Were any of those guys (and Harrison) actually thugs though? Pests, yes. Thugs, not really. I don't recall anything of them getting rubbed out for eye gouging, knocking blokes out or any other assorted dog acts. They had mongrel, no doubt about it, but I don't think they were filthy.
My point on bias was simply that many on here have called him lazy and a penalty magnet. I simply wanted this to be viewed without those preconceived ideas influencing the outcome. I agree that he should have been sinbined. I don't agree that he took Conteponi out on purpose.
I think that he saw Bosch shape to pass and took his eye of f the man with the ball and assumed Conteponi would get it. I think he realised at the last second and stopped the tackle which only makes him look worse in the replays. I think he stuffed up but I don't think comparisons to Nonu's dog act shoulder charges are reasonable.
I think that he saw Bosch shape to pass and took his eye of f the man with the ball and assumed Conteponi would get it. I think he realised at the last second and stopped the tackle which only makes him look worse in the replays. I think he stuffed up but I don't think comparisons to Nonu's dog act shoulder charges are reasonable.
Can you show me where the stepping in occurred? did you mean coming forward or changing his direction?
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Sully, we will have to agree to disagree. The ball carrier #13 (and #5 who was acting as immediate support) were running inside Simmons. He had eyes on FC the whole time. He saw FC running wide outside and absolutely lined him up for the shoulder. And you really think it wasn't on purpose?
Did Simmons think FC was looking to link up with the other two? More than likely, yes.
Did Simmons attempt, in any way at all, to use his arms and actually make a legal tackle? Not on your life.
Was FC anywhere near being in position to get the ball at the time Simmons dropped him? No way. 13 passed the ball to 5 a good 15 metres after they passed where Simmons was.
Happy to say it - In my opinion I think it is a perfect comparison to Nonu. Therefore, by your own words, I'll also call it a dog act.
Please don't assume I have any preconceived ideas about Simmons that is colouring my thinking. I don't, and it isn't.
Did Simmons think FC was looking to link up with the other two? More than likely, yes.
Did Simmons attempt, in any way at all, to use his arms and actually make a legal tackle? Not on your life.
Was FC anywhere near being in position to get the ball at the time Simmons dropped him? No way. 13 passed the ball to 5 a good 15 metres after they passed where Simmons was.
Happy to say it - In my opinion I think it is a perfect comparison to Nonu. Therefore, by your own words, I'll also call it a dog act.
Please don't assume I have any preconceived ideas about Simmons that is colouring my thinking. I don't, and it isn't.
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daz
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45 seconds in. Side-stepped 3 paces directly into FC's path with shoulder down.
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daz
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I think we have pretty much covered the bases with Simmo now. Rightly or wrongly, we all have our opinions.
Time to move on, including myself.
Time to move on, including myself.
OK, boys, don't fight, have a race instead. We're chewing up a bit of goodwill here.
BTW, Sully, I watched a replay later on Sunday morning, with many slo-slo-mos. Simmons' no-arms tackle on Contepomi looked pretty bad.
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Johnnie Wallace (23)
Simmons: was just mentally lazy, if he was mentally sharp he could have made an attempt to avoid rather than an attempt to brace.
Scrummaging: sublime, the height of the scrum at the second effort was superb. I thought the lack of numbers at the first major breakdown after the 4 or 5 scrums was a good indicator of the effort our boys put in - I think the lactic acid would have been working overtime!!!
Scrummaging: sublime, the height of the scrum at the second effort was superb. I thought the lack of numbers at the first major breakdown after the 4 or 5 scrums was a good indicator of the effort our boys put in - I think the lactic acid would have been working overtime!!!
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Jason Little (69)
We, the GAGR punters cannot get over our own team biases. Reds supporters will argue for Simmons even in the face of damning evidence regarding the tackle he was binned for. From my biased viewpoint, I think Rob Simmons should have played his last Wallabies' game, but not due to that tackle, but for his general lack of influence around the park. My unbiased viewpoint however is that he should be replaced by Pyle, Neville or Jones until Higgers (all Rebels you will note) is back.
Then @Pfitzy shows his Tahs bias (imo) by suggesting Kepu start at THP. I watched him closely in this match and in my biased opinion he was nowhere near test standard in the open and offered no more in the scrum than Benny A. Again, from an unbiased point, I would prefer Slipper at TH with Benn R at LH.
I think, other than the weaker links covered above, the team is starting to go in the right direction, and the younger, and/or less experienced (like Foley, Kuridrani, Tomane, To'omua, White, Lealiifano, Sio, Fardy, F'Sautia and Folau) players are starting to adapt to test football and will form the backbone of the Wallabies in years to come. Did you notice my biases coming through?
Can't wait to see Godwin play tests and hope he makes the EOYT.
Then @Pfitzy shows his Tahs bias (imo) by suggesting Kepu start at THP. I watched him closely in this match and in my biased opinion he was nowhere near test standard in the open and offered no more in the scrum than Benny A. Again, from an unbiased point, I would prefer Slipper at TH with Benn R at LH.
I think, other than the weaker links covered above, the team is starting to go in the right direction, and the younger, and/or less experienced (like Foley, Kuridrani, Tomane, To'omua, White, Lealiifano, Sio, Fardy, F'Sautia and Folau) players are starting to adapt to test football and will form the backbone of the Wallabies in years to come. Did you notice my biases coming through?
Can't wait to see Godwin play tests and hope he makes the EOYT.
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David Wilson (68)
The big problem here is that we had Simmons, Kepu and Horwill defending against outside backs and were beaten for speed/agility. This happens far too often (not these 3 in particular, but generally). It's going to happen every now and then, but with the Wallabies at the moment it's too regular - and this is where most line breaks are being made against us.
Three mods having a stoush over bias. What hope for the rest of us?
The mods are all passionate rugby fans. We disagree on many things. If it remains civil, I see no major drama.
Luckily they stopped before I had to invoke rule 10.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Well, all I can say is thank fuck we now have a Victorian coach who played for the brumbies and waratahs as well as coached the tahs and reds.
Hopefully he holidayed in Perth a lot, and maybe, just maybe he truly will be the messiah that finally bands us together.
(Or maybe he is just a very naughty boy.)
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