QLD GPS Rugby 2018

[Dash Pure Rugby]

Pretty strong squad across the board. I beleive Tuisamoa sustained a shoulder injury forcing him out of selection. Many talented boys unfortunately missing out on selection, in particular BBC and Ipswich.

With GPS being the predominant breeding ground for future Super Rugby and Wallaby stocks can anyone let me know how many of the above boys would not be likely to continue with Rugby once finished school. In a sport struggling for development dollars are they being spent wisely?

 

[Garry Owens]

I am not sure I understand the RL 5/8 point? Very different games and half in the League play on only one side/edge.

The BBC coaching team should play Ripley at Fullback in 2019 where his game is most suited.

Yeah you are right - these 2 ( Claridge and Ripley ) would be the first RL five eights to enter into GPS Schoolboy Rugby I’m sure

Sarcasm aside , Coaches will obviously do what they feel is in the best interests of the team - and BBC has Bowyer back for his 3rd year in the 15 jersey presumably , and , as everyone seems to know - the halves need a solution and depth at BBC next year - where everywhere else is pretty much stacked

Interesting to note that Coaches Warwick ( BGS ) and Lucas ( ACGS ) used Power Centres , Waight and Sword A LOT as first receivers off the set piece or in early phase play to take on the line - to great effect . I could see a much better skilled Ripley playing a version of this role without sacrificing anything in the power centre running game , paired with a more natural facilitator / field vision type in Claridge as a 2nd Five - who projects as one of the best kicking 10’s next year and certainly one of the strongest defensive inside backs

Working the change ups especially as Coach Warwick did this season with Waight , Asi and Halliday - had BGS within a converted try in 5 out of 8 contests - a helluva effort built on brains and execution despite a threadbare cupboard

 

[Confucius Say]

i think Pasitoa, Jones and Walker all kill that combo. Bowyer to wing. Kelly to 12. Simples.

You can thank me later, BBC.

 

[Garry Owens]

And your BBC 10 - O wise one ?

 

[Cancelled Account]

At the end of every GPS season, all we hear is how BBC are favourites for the following year. Unless you have changed your recruiter from your rowing coach this just ain’t going to happen. That’s where it all falls down. I think you were very fortunate to make 3rd on the ladder this year. Without your 10 we all know where you would have ended up.
My prediction for next year is another Nudge TSS battle. I think our boys can pull off another premiership. Let’s move this discussion to a 2019 thread.

 

[Cancelled Account]

GO - please don’t go setting any further false expectations - if the coach doesn’t change then the results won’t either. He has had the cattle to win a premiership in his time , hasn’t happened!!! time for a change.how long will he keep blaming the cattle and not change the culture or have a game plan, lose games then blame the players???

A recruitment issue initially. We took my boy to the school for an interview and all they wanted to do was talk rowing. Lucky escape on that one. If you’re a GPS school serious about rugby you can’t push rowing. That’s just asking for pre-season rugby injury. For the past 3 seasons BBC seem to have the highest injury numbers.

 

[Garry Owens]

Play the ball and not the man guys

Y’know how Nudgee do it

 

[Confucius Say]

Bo Derek is 10

 

[Garry Owens]

He must be new

How does he fare against Pasiota , Walker and Jones?

And , you spoke of combinations earlier

Pasiota and ?

Walker and ?

Jones and ?

 

[Cancelled Account]

He must be new

How does he fare against Pasiota , Walker and Jones?

And , you spoke of combinations earlier

Pasiota and ?

Walker and ?

Jones and ?

The placement of a 10 will be relative to a forward pack. A skilled forward pack will give any 10 the time to execute. A small inexperienced forward pack will require a good defensive 10 who knows how to read their opposition. Look at this years outcomes. There was no doubt that Nudge and TSS were playing off for the top position.

 

[Dark Shark]

A recruitment issue initially. We took my boy to the school for an interview and all they wanted to do was talk rowing. Lucky escape on that one. If you’re a GPS school serious about rugby you can’t push rowing. That’s just asking for pre-season rugby injury. For the past 3 seasons BBC seem to have the highest injury numbers.

I call BS on rowing causing rugby injuries. I am involved in both sports and have been for decades. The following are just my observations.

Core strength is fundamental to assisting injury prevention. Core strength goes a long way to protecting the body against damage inflicted from external sources. In rugby it also provides balance and stability in all areas of the game. The young people coming through in most sports I am finding are losing the core strength levels I was used to seeing many many years ago.

Rowing provides the ability to build core strength with low impact, particularly on developing bodies and joints. The other benefits are leg strength and great aerobic capacity. And you don’t have to row First VIII to get those benefits. Just about every crew who trains for a Head of the River race at any level will get this benefit.

My observations over time is that the type that get injured the most are the rugby schoolboys who spend all off season in the gym where the muscle development is so skewed or without balance and core strength development that it leads to muscle tears, hamstrings being pulled from bones or torn so badly they need operating.

There can be balance between rowing and rugby and a recent great example of that is Tom Kibble.

 

[Cancelled Account]

I call BS on rowing causing rugby injuries. I am involved in both sports and have been for decades. The following are just my observations.

Core strength is fundamental to assisting injury prevention. Core strength goes a long way to protecting the body against damage inflicted from external sources. In rugby it also provides balance and stability in all areas of the game. The young people coming through in most sports I am finding are losing the core strength levels I was used to seeing many many years ago.

Rowing provides the ability to build core strength with low impact, particularly on developing bodies and joints. The other benefits are leg strength and great aerobic capacity. And you don’t have to row First VIII to get those benefits. Just about every crew who trains for a Head of the River race at any level will get this benefit.

My observations over time is that the type that get injured the most are the rugby schoolboys who spend all off season in the gym where the muscle development is so skewed or without balance and core strength development that it leads to muscle tears, hamstrings being pulled from bones or torn so badly they need operating.

There can be balance between rowing and rugby and a recent great example of that is Tom Kibble.

How many Super Rugby and Wallabies players over the past 10 years played and rowed in Firsts? I’m yet to see Kibble on the paddock for Super rugby.

There is a fine line. Body composition and willingness are the key. I hear BBC want to throw every kid in a boat. Being promised a First XV position if you jump in a boat. Now that’s when injuries occur. Let’s look at how the two top teams do it. Pre-season starts in January and not after rowing season.

 

[Dark Shark]

With GPS being the predominant breeding ground for future Super Rugby and Wallaby stocks can anyone let me know how many of the above boys would not be likely to continue with Rugby once finished school. In a sport struggling for development dollars are they being spent wisely?

From a snapshot of First XV’s from round 7 or 8 last year, the following numbers are playing rugby post school. It may not include those playing Colts interstate or social rugby but includes those signed up to franchises like Brumbies, Rebels or Stade Francais.

BSHS - 7 players
BGS - 4 players
BBC - 6 players
NC - 3 players
GT - 10 players
TSS - 6 players
ACGS - 5 players

Many of those missing or not listed were still playing for their school this year.

But with only around a 40% retention rate of First XV players from the one year group, it seems pretty grim.

 

[Dark Shark]

How many Super Rugby and Wallabies players over the past 10 years played and rowed in Firsts? I’m yet to see Kibble on the paddock for Super rugby.

There is a fine line. Body composition and willingness are the key. I hear BBC want to throw every kid in a boat. Being promised a First XV position if you jump in a boat. Now that’s when injuries occur. Let’s look at how the two top teams do it. Pre-season starts in January and not after rowing season.

Off the top of my head - most recent First VIII / First XV player to go on to Wallabies is Ned Hanigan (Joey’s).

However, in this day and age when you have coaches banging on about “specialising” in one sport while the kids are still developing, it is becoming rarer and rarer. Some schools with recruitment- only want the student to focus on one sport. I believe it is healthier in many different ways for students to enjoy a number of sports over a whole year.

 

[Dark Shark]

Ps - I acknowledge it is difficult to row and play rugby at top level at school these days. To train and compete at the high level of intensity demanded in back to back seasons, you have to be incredibly tough and there are not many at that age that can sustain the intensity required.

I am saying the rowing can be complimentary to rugby and that it does not have to be First VIII. Another recent example is Trevor Hosea who rowed second VIII last year and is in Rebels squad this year,

 

[The Engine Room]

From a snapshot of First XV’s from round 7 or 8 last year, the following numbers are playing rugby post school. It may not include those playing Colts interstate or social rugby but includes those signed up to franchises like Brumbies, Rebels or Stade Francais.

BSHS - 7 players
BGS - 4 players
BBC - 6 players
NC - 3 players
GT - 10 players
TSS - 6 players
ACGS - 5 players

Many of those missing or not listed were still playing for their school this year.

But with only around a 40% retention rate of First XV players from the one year group, it seems pretty grim.

 

[The Engine Room]

Yes - the stats are not good if these are correct. These numbers highlight the issue of schools increasingly giving scholarships to contracted/soon to be contracted rugby league players. The number of GPS school "recruiters" hanging around junior rugby league titles (Under 12's State titles particularly) is sickening.

The reality in many/most cases is that most of these RL boys have not intention of playing rugby union after school which is clearly eroding the player base and the results of our Wallabies and provincial teams speak for themselves. Further, many of the developing boys who have been dropped from under-age A teams as a result of this growing practice lose interest and respect and many check out.

The sad thing is that the boys all know exactly what is going on with all the gaming of the competition rules (read the 3 year grades 11-12 practice), the vicarious parents/family members constantly using this forum and others to promote their son/s into rep teams to improve their potential for RL contracts and the Win at any costs mentality adopted by some schools. This season's national and provincial teams performances, particularly last weekend, should be enough for everyone in the rugby community to take a long hard look.

 

[DarkSide]

A 4 way draw in the 15s age goes to show their will be great competition in their final year. Will be interesting to see.

State High 16s seemed to have a very up and down season due to many boys up in the firsts. Who were the standouts to help earn some hard earned victories? Surely some will be playing a key role for a firsts spot next year.

Next years State High team will be strong. I didn’t see many 16s games, but the 9/10 are both very good in that age group and will perform well.

 

[Lute]

Yes - the stats are not good if these are correct. These numbers highlight the issue of schools increasingly giving scholarships to contracted/soon to be contracted rugby league players. The number of GPS school "recruiters" hanging around junior rugby league titles (Under 12's State titles particularly) is sickening.

The reality in many/most cases is that most of these RL boys have not intention of playing rugby union after school which is clearly eroding the player base and the results of our Wallabies and provincial teams speak for themselves. Further, many of the developing boys who have been dropped from under-age A teams as a result of this growing practice lose interest and respect and many check out.

The sad thing is that the boys all know exactly what is going on with all the gaming of the competition rules (read the 3 year grades 11-12 practice), the vicarious parents/family members constantly using this forum and others to promote their son/s into rep teams to improve their potential for RL contracts and the Win at any costs mentality adopted by some schools. This season's national and provincial teams performances, particularly last weekend, should be enough for everyone in the rugby community to take a long hard look.

The Schools are not there to prop up the ARU.They don’t care if the boys are going to League or not .

 

[Les Patterson]

Off the top of my head - most recent First VIII / First XV player to go on to Wallabies is Ned Hanigan (Joey’s).

However, in this day and age when you have coaches banging on about “specialising” in one sport while the kids are still developing, it is becoming rarer and rarer. Some schools with recruitment- only want the student to focus on one sport. I believe it is healthier in many different ways for students to enjoy a number of sports over a whole year.

Ned Hanigan - another example of Waratah bias with Wallaby selections - "Looks like Jane, plays like Jane". Would not have lived against Loane, Shaw and Cornellsen.