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Reds 2020

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by RugbyReg, May 9, 2019.

  1. Finsbury Girl Bill McLean (32)

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    I'm no lawyer but shouldn't these rules have come into play here:

    4.9 Approaches to Contract Players or other Contracted Person [7]
    4.9.1 No Union, Rugby Body, Club, Agent or any other Person or entity, whether acting on its own account or on behalf of any third party, shall approach (or accept an approach by or on behalf of) any Contract Player or other Contracted Person who has a written agreement with a Union, Rugby Body or Club to induce or attempt to induce such Contract Player or Contracted Person to leave their Union, Rugby Body or Club unless (i) the prior written consent of that Union, Rugby Body or Club has been obtained; or (ii) such approach is made in the final six month period before the expiry of, or the next option/break clause in, such a written agreement.
    4.9.2 Alleged breaches of Regulation 4.9.1 will be dealt with in accordance with Regulation 18 (and in the case of Agents, Regulation 5) and may result in the imposition of the penalties set out in Regulation 18.6.1 (and in the case of Agents, in Regulation 5.1.10).
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  2. Derpus Andrew Slack (58)

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    Probably, but what are you gunna do?

    Submit a complaint i guess, which will get filed right here:

    Court wouldn't be worth the money - nothing to be gained.
  3. upthereds#! Dick Tooth (41)

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    Alred has quite a lot of irons in the fire - perhaps he was happy to do less for less.

    Ryan - perhaps not.
  4. Ronald Reagan Bob McCowan (2)

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    15C’s at Grammar
  5. Bobby Sands Ken Catchpole (46)

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    Mac utterly dominant in the derby last year.

    Update: On closer inspection, this is one of the truly dominant games of rugby I have seen at this level. Factor in that this is the biggest game for these two schools, he made about 5 breaks and scored two trys - including the match winner. He reclaimed his own grubber off the kick-off, didn't miss a tackle, counter-rucked and kicked 4-5 times (the weakest part of his game on this day).

    He threw one pill over the sideline, but to be honest the shape of the pass was great and the option was on - so I don't see that as a negative.

    Downlands had also not won this fixture for about 5 years.
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  6. RugbyReg George Smith (75)

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    anyone participating in the Reds Member forum on Wednesday?
  7. redstragic Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    I was thinking about it but have to go in to work now. Not sure how candid they can be, the email they sent out to members last week just said they are working towards decisions about the future. I wondered what the purpose of it was other than to remind us they still exist given the NRL were about to restart.

    It's a tough situation and all I want is to be able to cheer on the Reds. Just hope a real, long term competition can be created. Remember watching the Reds pre Super Rugby where they played some touring team every weekend?, we wouldn't even have this.
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  8. Muzza Allen Oxlade (6)

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    Im surprised no one has picked this up with all the doom and gloom going on. something positive

    When the Junior Wallabies went within one point of a maiden under-20s World Cup last year, the hope was that Australian rugby was on the cusp of a golden new generation.
    A historic seven-year drought-breaking 18-14 win by Australia's Schoolboys over New Zealand across the ditch reinforced the feeling the pathways were working and there was light at the end of a 17-year Bledisloe Cup black tunnel.
    Now, two of the most exciting prospects in Australian rugby, Isaac Lucas and Harry Hockings, as well as a third established young Wallaby, Izack Rodda, are all but guaranteed to head overseas after their contracts were terminated by opting not to sign Rugby Australia's player pay cuts during COVID-19.

    Yet last year's Junior Wallabies captain, Fraser McReight, who has been picked in Dave Rennie's Players of National Interest squad despite playing just 121 minutes of Super Rugby, believes the future remains bright.

    [IMG]Fraser McReight takes a run for the Queensland Reds against the Bulls earlier this year. (AAP)

    "We have Scott Johnson, who's pretty much new as director of rugby, three new Wallaby coaches and we have pretty much a brand new younger generation coming through. I played with the under-20s, but even the 18s, I think Australian rugby's definitely in the right direction," McReight told Wide World of Sports.
    "Obviously, we have a new interim CEO and a new chairman-elect too, so there's lots of changes happening as well, but that's not a negative thing, I think change is good.
    "That's why I'm stoked to be a part of Australian rugby.
    "I get to see the next generation of awesome footballers hopefully bring glory back to Australian rugby and then watch the code recover from where it is right now to back to where it was. That's what I aspire to."
  9. Bobby Sands Ken Catchpole (46)

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    Fraser is a star in every sense of the word. A natural skip.
  10. Finsbury Girl Bill McLean (32)

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    In the very least we could stop people who break the rules for being licensed agents in our game.
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  11. wamberal David Codey (61)

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    Which would probably also end up in court. Or be circumvented one way or another. At the end of the day, the best thing for the game is probably to retain the players who want to play their rugby here, and give them preference in selection for the national team.

    Not much point trying to keep players here against what they might perceive are their best interests. As I have said before: if they want to get paid more money, fine, they can go to play out an anonymous career.
  12. RugbyReg George Smith (75)

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    Ok, so I just sat through the Member update. Some random snippets from it.

    Was Dave Hanham, Liam Wright and Sam Cordingly.

    The Picone 3:
    - all spoke very openly abut this and particularly the players themselves. No mention of the manager, which was obviously the plan. They spoke very highly of the three players however and were sad to see them go.
    - Wright suggested it had galvanised the team because it made them realise how much they had all sacrifised as one to play, which was a good point I thought.
    - Cordingly said they work with about 18 managers and have positive relationships with basically all of them.

    Super Rugby 2020:
    - as we know, 4 SUper Rugby teams and Force. Ten week comp and then two weeks of finals (1 straight through to GF with 2v3 playing off to face them)
    - working with govt and venues around crowds. May just be members only (or some members only)
    - Will be rule variations which are largely driven by the broadcasters (Fox) to create more unstructured play and decrease lulls. Remember it is only for this comp and not tests so its a balancing act to not lose the right prep for tests
    • 50/22 and 22/50 rule for kicking (Scott Johnson a big fan of this)
    • Line drop outs for held up over the try line (anywhere on the tryline and must go 5m)
    • some fiddling around with scrum resets and encouraging free kicks. No one seems a massive fan. Definitely not Thorn, and not Dave Rennie.
    • Also looking at the Red Card for 20 minutes and then replacement allowed on.
    • Also looking at a white card which comes after 5 repeated defensive infringements and is a 5 min sin bin
    - Wilson and Paisami back to full training.
    - some big gains from players including young lock Tualima who has put on 4kgs
    Premier Rugby:
    - looking a good chance to be on fox sports.
    - non playing Reds squad have to stay quarantined with the squad so won't be able to play PRemier Rugby until the Super Rugby Comp is over.
    - this is the first season ever all Premier Grade sides will also each have a womens team.
    Next year:
    - Trans tasman a big focus but also looking at how to include a Japan team.
    - Suliasi Vunivalu is still very keen to coming the Brisbane and joining the team next year.
    - Ballymore redevelopment - have $15m from the Feds. Working with the state to match with discussions back under way following covid enforced pause.
    Anyone pick up anything else?
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  13. The Nomad Alex Ross (28)

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    Totally understandable, but a bit of a pity the four guys recently called up to the senior squad won't be playing much footy this year.

    Still a great opportunity for them, but would have been great to see their development this year in 1st grade.
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  14. Bobby Sands Ken Catchpole (46)

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    Snippet in the Bronco-mail said Tattsy has been down at Ballymore doing some defensive work with the Reds.

    Some bloke called Michael Todd is taking the responsibility (sigh) but it's good that the great man is down there lending a hand.

    I believe Michael has extensive knowledge in defensive analysis both here and at Munster.
  15. Shaker Alex Ross (28)

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    Toddy's the analyst. Forwards coach for Country last 2 seasons. Thorny values his opinion very highly so makes sense he gets an opportunity to step up.
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  16. upthereds#! Dick Tooth (41)

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    Senior Analyst at the Reds as well as Assistant Coach for NRC Queensland Country - Forwards and Contact
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  17. RugbyReg George Smith (75)

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    Toddy was first bought into the fold by Link many moons ago. Coaches at UQ too.
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  18. Shaker Alex Ross (28)

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    Was lucky enough to be one of Toddy's assistants last season. Has great knowledge of rugby and has all the making of a coach.
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  19. Bobby Sands Ken Catchpole (46)

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    That's great to know.

    Any further insights into his style, strengths etc?

    Thanks ahead of time.
  20. The Nomad Alex Ross (28)

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    Bobby , Toddy has been the Colts 1 coach at UQ for the past few seasons . Highly rated by all that have had much to do with him.

    Has South African heritage and is very much a forward based coach with big emphasis on accuracy across the park , particularly in defence and the breakdown.

    As Reg said has been involved with analysis at the Reds for a while now .
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