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Super Rugby AU Round 6 - Waratahs vs Reds @ SCG, Saturday 8 August 2020

Discussion in 'Rugby Matches' started by Braveheart81, Aug 4, 2020.

  1. Adam84 Ken Catchpole (46)

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    what are those issues, and how did Sam Cordingley cause them?
  2. Roberts Rugby Cyril Towers (30)

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    Stand corrected - 8 weeks.
    Something has gone seriously wrong when a player debuts and comes off the field crying because he THINKS he let down the team. He should be celebrating and not look back on this experience with regret. The coaches got this wrong because they are introducing a player that is not ready for the step in to SR. There is no question that he has what it takes with great coaching in months/years to come but now the coaches have to work even harder to get his confidence back up, let alone concentrating on his skill and experience. I feel for the kid because it wasn’t him who got it wrong.
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  3. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I really think you're reading too much into it. Different people deal with emotions in different ways. He would have been excited and nervous and then he unfortunately got carded in a game his team were getting flogged and his emotions manifested the way they did.

    He was only 6 months younger than the guy who he was scrummaging against.

    I didn't see the crying on the replay. He looked fine when he was carded and was walking off the field.
  4. Silverado Arch Winning (36)

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    It was after the match when he was crying. Was being consoled by Tupou
  5. Hawko John Hipwell (52)

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    Getting carded in your very first game a couple of minutes after you got put on is pretty devastating. Not surprised he was upset, anyone would be. Given that the whole front row was getting mullered it was more a team yellow, but that wouldn't make him feel much better.
    He just has to get back up and go again next week. He will learn from this.
  6. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Jock Campbell missed a tackle on Ramm before the chip. That was when it could have been stopped.
  7. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Back to Nonggorr, the guy on the other side of the scrum is a 27 year old New Zealander who has played a bit of NPC. Hard to work out from the replay that he was any better in the scrum whatsoever but would the Reds really be better off having another player like that getting some Super Rugby minutes than Nonggorr?

    He's going to be a star and I highly doubt his debut is going to damage his progression or confidence.
  8. dru Steve Williams (59)

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    Zane went straight through his opposing prop on his first scrum. Things only got wobbly with the intentionally long pause by the Tahs at the feed. Being carded was on the back of the front row warning. I'd be sticking with the guy.
  9. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Yeah I think he's going to be fine. Looks like he can play a bit.
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  10. TSR Jim Lenehan (48)

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    It’s a big ask for the young guy and I’d much rather he had 1-2 years coming through the system and playing prems.

    But it’s also a big ask in a professional franchise to cover a spot when they lost a contracted senior THP at the start of the season and have subsequently been plagued by injuries. Plus they can’t just rope anyone in at short notice with the COVID 19 restrictions.

    Given pretty much every prop has been yellow carded at some point I can’t see it’ll be an issue for him going forward. I’d actually suggest that on such a poor night his debut would be one of very few highlights for the Reds.’
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  11. dru Steve Williams (59)

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    It was certainly something I was watching. Very pleased he is at the Reds and that we have Lillycrap to work with him.
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  12. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    There was a moment in the first 20 minutes that nearly ended in disaster. The Tahs kicked through, Hegarty chased back but then slipped when he was coming back with the ball. He went to ground and tripped up Jock Campbell who was chasing back. It looked like Campbell was a bit sore from it and maybe tweaked his knee but it could have been disastrous.

    Potential for a serious leg break like Gary Rowan in the AFL a few years ago when a player slid into him and caused them to change the rules.

    Campbell came off soon afterwards and he'd also had a head knock and was playing terribly so I'm not sure what the final reason for him leaving the field was.
  13. barbarian Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    Sometimes we complicate the way we look at teams, and games.

    When you boil it down, the Tahs first half was so good because they made virtually no mistakes. They didn't do anything that wild tactically, it was just good accurate catch-and-pass, runners hitting the ball at pace, making good forward momentum and then using space out wide with straight running lines.

    It was great rugby in its most basic form. Sure the Reds line speed just wasn't there, and they couldn't win a lineout, but the Waratahs might have made two unforced errors all half, which is as low as I can remember.

    The handling skills from the forwards was also noteworthy. Guys like HJH, Robertson, Staniforth throwing accurate, well-timed passes. Was lovely to watch.

    So call me a wild thinker, but the lesson for the Tahs should be that if you eliminate all errors, you probably win the game.
  14. Up the Guts Paul McLean (56)

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    And I would say a lesson for the young Reds that there are times when the opposition are just too good and everything goes right for them. Happened to the ABs against us in Perth last year. I would be surprised if the Reds had a similar catastrophe this week.
  15. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Two in particular spring to mind. The first one was Jake Gordon's opening try. So often I feel like that last pass gets dropped cold with the line open just because the pass is slightly astray (although Hunt really got the pass right this time). It's almost like the support runner doesn't actually expect the pass to come to them.

    The second was Newsome's try. The pass went out in front of Tom Horton who juggled it one handed and then passed on to Dempsey and then Newsome to score. Horton's skills were very impressive but most of the time that gets dropped and the try butchered.
  16. barbarian Nick Farr-Jones (63)

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    Yeah it was a floater of a pass too, though not a bad one. Dempsey probably should have just put his head down and scored that try, he passed very early and made Newsome do a bit more work than he had to.
  17. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    It felt like Newsome has been practicing that given he did it twice during the game.

    Maybe Dempsey thought that given they were up 31-0 he'd give Newsome the chance to put it into practice.
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  18. Tahtrajic Sydney Middleton (9)

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    Don’t forget Angus Bell (first season) got carded in the first game when he was against Tupou. I’m sure he get back up on the horse with the support he was getting after the game
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  19. Silverado Arch Winning (36)

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    He would have been bolstered having held his end up on a few occasions and being named in the PONI squad. But yes he got owned that night and it was a reality check
  20. Rugbynutter39 Mark Loane (55)

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    Angus bell getting owned by Tupou that night was part of his rite of passage.

    No shame at 19 getting owned by one of probably worlds best tight head props early in his career.
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