Sydney Colts - 2014

[Hugh Jarse]

Discipline Summary so far:

Club Discipline Record
Send Off (Red Card)
Penrith: 2, (Colts1: 1, Colts2: 1) Note: Both cards to the same player who
has believed to have been sacked.
Eastwood: 1, (Colts1: 0, Colts2: 1, Colts3: 0)
Gordon: 1, (Colts1: 1, Colts2: 0) (Second YC in the same game)
Warringah: 1, (Colts1: 1, Colts2: 0, Colts3: 0)

Sin Bin (Yellow Card)
Easts: 13, (Colts1: 5, Colts2: 4, Colts3: 4)
Wests: 10, (Colts1: 4, Colts2: 5, Colts3: 1)
Souths: 9, (Colts1: 4, Colts2: 4, Colts3: 1)
Eastwood: 7, (Colts1: 2, Colts2: 3, Colts3: 2)
Norths: 7, (Colts1: 2, Colts2: 2, Colts3: 3)
Penrith: 7, (Colts1: 3, Colts2: 4)
Randwick: 7, (Colts1: 4, Colts2: 3, Colts3: 0)
Manly: 5, (Colts1: 3, Colts2: 2, Colts3: 0)
Parramatta: 5, (Colts1: 1, Colts2: 3, Colts3: 1)
Warringah: 4, (Colts1: 2, Colts2: 2, Colts3: 0)
Gordon: 3, (Colts1: 2, Colts2: 1)
University: 3, (Colts1: 0, Colts2: 3, Colts3: 0)

Individual Discipline Record:
80 Yellow cards have been issued to 74 players.
6 players have received 2 Yellow Cards
68 players have received 1 Yellow Card.

5 Red Cards have been issued to 4 Players.
1 Player has received 2 Red Cards. (He has been let go by his club)
3 Players have received 1 Red Card.

Discipline by Grade:
32 Yellow Cards and 3 Red Cards have been issued in Colts 1
36 Yellow Cards and 2 Red Cards have been issued in Colts 2
12 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards have been issued in Colts 3
Note: In Colts 3's, there are 2 less games each week due to the Bye.

Discipline by Round:
12 Yellow Cards and 1 Red Cards were issued in Round 1
15 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 2
19 Yellow Cards and 3 Red Cards were issued in Round 3
14 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 4
20 Yellow Cards and 1 Red Cards were issued in Round 5

 

[Dave Beat]

Discipline Summary so far:

Club Discipline Record
Send Off (Red Card)
Penrith: 2, (Colts1: 1, Colts2: 1) Note: Both cards to the same player who
has believed to have been sacked.
Eastwood: 1, (Colts1: 0, Colts2: 1, Colts3: 0)
Gordon: 1, (Colts1: 1, Colts2: 0) (Second YC in the same game)
Warringah: 1, (Colts1: 1, Colts2: 0, Colts3: 0)

Sin Bin (Yellow Card)
Easts: 13, (Colts1: 5, Colts2: 4, Colts3: 4)
Wests: 10, (Colts1: 4, Colts2: 5, Colts3: 1)
Souths: 9, (Colts1: 4, Colts2: 4, Colts3: 1)
Eastwood: 7, (Colts1: 2, Colts2: 3, Colts3: 2)
Norths: 7, (Colts1: 2, Colts2: 2, Colts3: 3)
Penrith: 7, (Colts1: 3, Colts2: 4)
Randwick: 7, (Colts1: 4, Colts2: 3, Colts3: 0)
Manly: 5, (Colts1: 3, Colts2: 2, Colts3: 0)
Parramatta: 5, (Colts1: 1, Colts2: 3, Colts3: 1)
Warringah: 4, (Colts1: 2, Colts2: 2, Colts3: 0)
Gordon: 3, (Colts1: 2, Colts2: 1)
University: 3, (Colts1: 0, Colts2: 3, Colts3: 0)

Individual Discipline Record:
80 Yellow cards have been issued to 74 players.
6 players have received 2 Yellow Cards
68 players have received 1 Yellow Card.

5 Red Cards have been issued to 4 Players.
1 Player has received 2 Red Cards. (He has been let go by his club)
3 Players have received 1 Red Card.

Discipline by Grade:
32 Yellow Cards and 3 Red Cards have been issued in Colts 1
36 Yellow Cards and 2 Red Cards have been issued in Colts 2
12 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards have been issued in Colts 3
Note: In Colts 3's, there are 2 less games each week due to the Bye.

Discipline by Round:
12 Yellow Cards and 1 Red Cards were issued in Round 1
15 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 2
19 Yellow Cards and 3 Red Cards were issued in Round 3
14 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 4
20 Yellow Cards and 1 Red Cards were issued in Round 5

My oh my aren't those university boys well behaved students.
Maybe the kids from out west need to stand outside the principals office.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Who has been hassling the Scoreboard Attendants?

Top 10 Point Scorers
Christian KAGIASSIS, University, 69 points (3T 27C)
Christian YASSMIN, University, 65 points (13T)
Matthew TEKI, Souths, 54 points (3T 15C 3PG)
Chris O'DONNELL, University, 52 points (2T 18C 2PG)
Justin FOURIE, University, 51 points (7T 8C)
Alex NEWSOME, Easts, 48 points (2T 10C 6PG)
Oliver KNIGHT, Gordon, 44 points (1T 9C 7PG)
Kevin WEEKS, Souths, 40 points (3T 11C 1PG)
Steane DAVIES, Norths, 37 points (4T 7C 1PG)
Harley ATTWATER, Manly, 35 points (2T 11C 1PG)

Top 10 Golden Boots
Christian KAGIASSIS, University, 54 points (27C)
Chris O'DONNELL, University, 42 points (18C 2PG)
Oliver KNIGHT, Gordon, 39 points (9C 7PG) (Flanker)
Matthew TEKI, Souths, 39 points (15C 3PG)
Alex NEWSOME, Easts, 38 points (10C 6PG)
James BENTON, Parramatta, 30 points (12C 2PG) (Front Row)
Christopher EBELING, Wests, 25 points (8C 3PG)
Kevin WEEKS, Souths, 25 points (11C 1PG) (Second Row)
Harley ATTWATER, Manly, 25 points (11C 1PG)
Joshua FRIEND, University, 24 points (12C)

Meat Pies
570 tries have been scored by 322 players.
135 players have scored 2 or more tries.

Top Try Scorers
Christian YASSMIN, University, 13 tries
Justin FOURIE, University, 7 tries
Ben HUGHES, University, 6 tries
Max WYLIE, Easts, 5 tries
Angus MCCAFFREY, Eastwood, 5 tries
Samuel MARTIN, Eastwood, 5 tries
Austin OSAGIE, Manly, 5 tries
Charles PASCOE, Norths, 5 tries
Andrew VATUVEI, Parramatta, 5 tries
Luke CASEY, Parramatta, 5 tries
Matthew HOOD, University, 5 tries
Maake TAMOUA, Wests, 5 tries

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Playing Roster Depth
804 Individual Players have been signed on for a game in one of the Colts grades in one or more of the first 5 rounds.

A Club by Club breakdown of this is:
Manly: 79 players used
Eastern Suburbs: 77 players used
Sydney University: 74 players used
Randwick: 72 players used
Parramatta: 71 players used
West Harbour: 70 players used
Eastwood: 69 players used
Southern Districts: 69 players used
Warringah: 69 players used
Northern Suburbs: 58 players used
Penrith: 50 players used (two teams only)
Gordon: 46 players used (two teams only)

Very few "Fresh Reserves" are used in Colts 1 and Colts 2.
A typical Game Day roster then requires 15 Colts 1 + 15 Colts 2 + 23 Colts 3 players. Total of 53 Players.
If all 12 clubs were able to play "typical" teams in all 3 Colts grades, a minimum of 636 players would be needed each week. (12 Clubs with 53 players required each week = 636 players). So far this year over 800 players have been used, yet two clubs have not fielded teams in Colts 3, so the typical weekly demand is about 600 players.

Players used by clubs in excess of the "typical" 53 may be Private School players "moonlighting"(not all that many and not around once CAS and AAGPS start), injured (quite a few), sick (some), sacked (usually discipline related but not many), or unavailable week by week for a variety of reasons (jobs, study deadlines to meet, hung over, good surf today, holiday, CBF etc).

At face value, it would appear that there are 200 players across Sydney not getting regular weekly footy, yet two clubs are unable to raise a Colts 3 team. That is only 50 players.

Side note: I hear on the grapevine that the Sydney Coves Joint Venture arrangement has kicked in to a degree, and Balmain Subbies Colts are using Uni Colts players unable to make the matchday 53 for University Colts.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

My oh my aren't those university boys well behaved students.
Maybe the kids from out west need to stand outside the principals office.

One of their First Graders went very very close to being not well behaved.

It is easy play disciplined rugby and not attract cards when you are winning by substantial margins each week, although the Souths lads seem to buck that concept.

 

[Iluvmyfooty]

can someone give some background to the 2 Christians playing for Uni. Both seem like they can score points. I don't recall their names in any schoolboy forum

 

[Stag XV]

Side note: I hear on the grapevine that the Sydney Coves Joint Venture arrangement has kicked in to a degree, and Balmain Subbies Colts are using Uni Colts players unable to make the matchday 53 for University Colts.

Could be a very messy setup if true. Registering and releasing players week after week between the two clubs... can anyone confirm if this is happening and also if even permitted?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

can someone give some background to the 2 Christians playing for Uni. Both seem like they can score points. I don't recall their names in any schoolboy forum

Christian Y = Ex Scots 2013. AAGPS had some great wingers last year, as did NSW Schools. Christian Y may have missed out on his spot in the queue behind some rather talented wingers in AAGPS and NSW Schools.

Christian K = Ex St Gregs 2013, ISA II rep #10, Ex Canterbury JRU and SJRU Under 17. Possibly a lot of Loig (SG Ball, Howard Matts rep stuff). St Gregs, ISA and SJRU U17's players generally don't get a lot of love on the schoolboy forums.

Good players can be made to look really good, when they are part of a dominant team package.
I would suggest that Christian Y would not be leading try scorer in the competition if he was at West Harbour.

Their results could also be used to suggest there is an element of truth that cream will rise to the top when placed in the appropriate surroundings, where they are not competing for skills development "oxygen" against the "usual suspects".

Guess Uni do not always manage to recruit all the favoured Schoolboy Rockstars.
Randwick scored more Aust Schoolboys than Uni last year.

If I haven't already run my ruler over the NSW I and NSW II teams from last year (pretty sure I have) on the "What Club are the Class of 2013 going to?", I will do so soon.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Could be a very messy setup if true. Registering and releasing players week after week between the two clubs. can anyone confirm if this is happening and also if even permitted?

If it gets kids playing footy, then it should be encouraged, particularly if it means that there is not a bye (or forfeit) in Subbies colts.

Is this all that much different to the Schoolboys situation where they moonlight for SJRU (or Colts) as well as playing in School rugby competitions?
Registering to play Loig on Sunday, and Rugby (colts, subbbies or Juniors) on Saturday?

Uni and Balmain are playing in competitions that are administered by different organisations. Wicks and Balmain used to do this with Drew Mitchell, although it wasn't a regular feature.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Maybe going to Randwick has something to do with Cheika

Probably got a lot to do with it.

As said above the ruler has already been passed over last years Rockstars.

Numbers wise, Wicks, Norths and Woodies recruited well from the Aust School Champs.
Wicks trumped everyone with the numbers they got from Aust Schoolboys and Schoolboys A teams.

Where the 56 Reps NSW I, NSW II and Combined States players from NSW are in 2014.
Easts, 1
Forbes, 1
Gordon, 1
NZ, 1
Parramatta, 1
Wests, 1
Manly, 2
Souths, 2
Warringah, 2
Uni, 3
Eastwood, 4
Loig, 5
Norths, 6
Randwick, 8
School, 10
TBC, 8

Where the 23 2013 Aust Schoolboy/Schoolboy A Reps from NSW are in 2014
Easts, 1
Norths, 1
NZ, 1
Souths, 1
Wests, 1
tbc, 1
Eastwood, 2
Loig, 2
Uni, 2
Warringah, 2
School, 3
Randwick, 6

 

[Hugh Jarse]

To answer that requires a bit more information that is a lot harder to get. It can be a little misleading as well.

For instance, McCalman is a lad from the country. Went to Kings as a border, and during that time played some games (up to U16) with an Eastwood Club. Clearly he is not an organic Uni Junior, but was he "recruited" from Eastwood, Central West (NSW Country) or Kings?

Kellaway is originally from Gordon (or Norths). He has been locked up in the Schools system for a while when he was at Scots. During this time ARU also threw some development his way via the NGS (as did Aust and NSW Schools RU via their rep programmes). He seems to have followed the recently build bridge from his School to Randwick. Clearly he has no junior affiliation to the Wicks, but as there are more and more of (the better of) his former schoolmates going to the Wicks, is he going there for his mates? What affiliation does he have with his former junior club?

Shouldn't kids who actually attend Sydney Uni play for them, particularly if they are in the residential colleges. Kids attending UNSW and residing in the nearby colleges shouldn't be penalised if they turned out for the Wicks (convenience and new found mates) as opposed with Warringah or Illawarra or wherever they played their junior footy.

Who own's the Clancy lads? They hail from deep in Brumbies territory, attended Shore School as borders, played some footy for Mosman (Norths) and while they are apparently studying at Sydney Uni, thay have stayed "local"/loyal to Norths in Colts. Did Norths "poach" them from Uni, within whose geographic footprint they now reside? Hmmm.

Every kid has a slightly different story. Some kids have not enjoyed their junior village club footy, and have had little or no development largesse showered upon them while they lived and played locally before they got swallowed up in the Schools programme. What loyalty do they owe to a registration of convenience made many years prior?

Some parents remain actively engaged with the junior village clubs (younger siblings) while elder boys are in the schools system. Some are able to play U10-U18 for both School and Club. One would expect these lads to be more likely to stay with that District when it comes time to play Colts.

Do you blame the NSW II boy who crosses the district border in order to play Colts I, because he would be in Colts II behind the NSWI and Aust Schoolboy player if he stayed "in district"?

The player points system is supposed to regulate excess recruiting of schoolboy rockstars, and to encourage clubs to recruit from local juniors.

The application of this strategy does not seem to be achieving its original intention. Discounts for junior village club loyalty have been capped at 50% of the peak player points score. A NSW I schoolboy, normally worth 4 points to a club, can be discounted to minimum of 2 points provide he has been playing junior footy for at least two years from Under 10's in that district. There is no further discount available if that lad had played all 9 years in the local Junior system from U10 to Opens. Is two years development as a local junior the same as 5 or 9 years. The player points system says they are the same.

 

[I like to watch]

Funny how you highlight some kids,where there might be a rational excuse.
Does Joeys also have a new special relationship with the Wicks?
If you can't see the link with 5 Oz Schoolboy reps going to the Tahs coach's Club of choice,then I don't think you should be allowed out unsupervised.
With regard to the point system,I don't know anyone who understands the rationale of what they are trying to achieve.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Does Joeys also have a new special relationship with the Wicks?
If you can't see the link with 5 Oz Schoolboy reps going to the Tahs coach's

and that club has form in playing the higher honour card going all the way back to whenever

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I suspect that that particular club may be upset that there has been a more hated club than them for the last 10 years.

This (and the whole Cheika back door connection to the Tahs etc) is just an attempt to re-establish Green as the most hated mob in Shute Shield.

 

[I like to watch]

It's working

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Funny how you highlight some kids,where there might be a rational excuse.
Does Joeys also have a new special relationship with the Wicks?
If you can't see the link with 5 Oz Schoolboy reps going to the Tahs coach's Club of choice,then I don't think you should be allowed out unsupervised.
With regard to the point system,I don't know anyone who understands the rationale of what they are trying to achieve.

Two of them seem very keen to bypass the Colts off ramp on the Pathway to Gold.

The Joeys ones this year was an interesting one. Not a lot of them in the past. The Wicks have traditionally acquired their left footers from Waverley.

The player points system clearly isn't achieving its intent (whatever that is) when a 23 player point team can beat a 25 player point team by 60 points on the scoresheet.

 

[the baz]

To answer that requires a bit more information that is a lot harder to get. It can be a little misleading as well.

For instance, McCalman is a lad from the country. Went to Kings as a border, and during that time played some games (up to U16) with an Eastwood Club. Clearly he is not an organic Uni Junior, but was he "recruited" from Eastwood, Central West (NSW Country) or Kings?

Kellaway is originally from Gordon (or Norths). He has been locked up in the Schools system for a while when he was at Scots. During this time ARU also threw some development his way via the NGS (as did Aust and NSW Schools RU via their rep programmes). He seems to have followed the recently build bridge from his School to Randwick. Clearly he has no junior affiliation to the Wicks, but as there are more and more of (the better of) his former schoolmates going to the Wicks, is he going there for his mates? What affiliation does he have with his former junior club?

Shouldn't kids who actually attend Sydney Uni play for them, particularly if they are in the residential colleges. Kids attending UNSW and residing in the nearby colleges shouldn't be penalised if they turned out for the Wicks (convenience and new found mates) as opposed with Warringah or Illawarra or wherever they played their junior footy.

Who own's the Clancy lads? They hail from deep in Brumbies territory, attended Shore School as borders, played some footy for Mosman (Norths) and while they are apparently studying at Sydney Uni, thay have stayed "local"/loyal to Norths in Colts. Did Norths "poach" them from Uni, within whose geographic footprint they now reside? Hmmm.

Every kid has a slightly different story. Some kids have not enjoyed their junior village club footy, and have had little or no development largesse showered upon them while they lived and played locally before they got swallowed up in the Schools programme. What loyalty do they owe to a registration of convenience made many years prior?

Some parents remain actively engaged with the junior village clubs (younger siblings) while elder boys are in the schools system. Some are able to play U10-U10 for both School and Club. One would expect these lads to be more likely to stay with that District when it comes time to play Colts.

Do you blame the NSW II boy who crosses the district border in order to play Colts I, because he would be in Colts II behind the NSWI and Aust Schoolboy player if he stayed "in district"?

The player points system is supposed to regulate excess recruiting of schoolboy rockstars, and to encourage clubs to recruit from local juniors.

The application of this strategy does not seem to be achieving its original intention. Discounts for junior village club loyalty have been capped at 50% of the peak player points score. A NSW I schoolboy, normally worth 4 points to a club, can be discounted to minimum of 2 points provide he has been playing junior footy for at least two years from Under 10's in that district. There is no further discount available if that lad had played all 9 years in the local Junior system from U10 to Opens. Is two years development as a local junior the same as 5 or 9 years. The player points system says they are the same.

I know both the clancy boys well Hugh, and they went to Norths (not asked or poached) as other shores boys went there and they wanted to follow their school mates. Would they be playing 1's and 2;s at Uni, probably not, just would be a bench warmer i would suggest.
Randwick have a link with Scots as the first grade coach works with the rugby program, hence the reason he went to south africa with the school. However, with the boys that they have from scots, who are quality players in kamp, crafts, short and company, the teams not playing great, but im sure will be in contention as the year rolls on.
Maybe the key for others is to link with these "rugby" schools and guide players to clubs, form partnerships.

 

[Done that]

Christian Y = Ex Scots 2013. AAGPS had some great wingers last year, as did NSW Schools. Christian Y may have missed out on his spot in the queue behind some rather talented wingers in AAGPS and NSW Schools.

Christian K = Ex St Gregs 2013, ISA II rep #10, Ex Canterbury JRU and SJRU Under 17. Possibly a lot of Loig (SG Ball, Howard Matts rep stuff). St Gregs, ISA and SJRU U17's players generally don't get a lot of love on the schoolboy forums.

Good players can be made to look really good, when they are part of a dominant team package.
I would suggest that Christian Y would not be leading try scorer in the competition if he was at West Harbour.

Their results could also be used to suggest there is an element of truth that cream will rise to the top when placed in the appropriate surroundings, where they are not competing for skills development "oxygen" against the "usual suspects".

Guess Uni do not always manage to recruit all the favoured Schoolboy Rockstars.
Randwick scored more Aust Schoolboys than Uni last year.

If I haven't already run my ruler over the NSW I and NSW II teams from last year (pretty sure I have) on the "What Club are the Class of 2013 going to?", I will do so soon.

I agree with you entirely,in fact Christian Y may not even be playing Colts 1 if he was at West Harbour.

 

[Cattledog]

 

[Brian Westlake]

Two of them seem very keen to bypass the Colts off ramp on the Pathway to Gold.

The Joeys ones this year was an interesting one. Not a lot of them in the past. The Wicks have traditionally acquired their left footers from Waverley.

The player points system clearly isn't achieving its intent (whatever that is) when a 23 player point team can beat a 25 player point team by 60 points on the scoresheet.

Maybe Hugh, that they wanted to play with their mates. You have a couple of the young guys there that are as thick as thieves and from what I hear from the older guys is that it is mateship and fun that are the overriding motives.

Who would have thought that? Fun AND Rugby? Bugger me