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The NBN (National Broadband Network)

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cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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How about we leave it at that?
A bit more personal input of thought-out opinions might do this thread some good?
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Perhaps someone should heed this:-

Runner said:
Could it be that press reports Gloria is an ALP official like the Granny form Brisbane so the depths the ALP will go. How many of the students in the protest where students? Could the fact that elections for students reps are on have an effect?

Send in ICAC​
The amount of unsubstantiated claims you make on this thread is comical. How can anyone take Anything you type seriously when you are prone to such 'astute' observations as you have stated above?

And then you have the hide to trivialise important social issues, such as the link between decreased opportunity and increased crime.

I'm done with you pal. Don't trouble yourself for a reply, it will be ignored.
 

Runner

Nev Cottrell (35)
Perhaps someone should heed this:-

Runner said:
Could it be that press reports Gloria is an ALP official like the Granny form Brisbane so the depths the ALP will go. How many of the students in the protest where students? Could the fact that elections for students reps are on have an effect?​
Send in ICAC​
The amount of unsubstantiated claims you make on this thread is comical. How can anyone take Anything you type seriously when you are prone to such 'astute' observations as you have stated above?

And then you have the hide to trivialise important social issues, such as the link between decreased opportunity and increased crime.

I'm done with you pal. Don't trouble yourself for a reply, it will be ignored.

Different thread and not a reference to your material.

Perhaps you should heed Cyclopath
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Turning virtual into reality: What the future of the internet could look like

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...rtual-reality-what-future-internet-could-look

"It seems that everyone is trying to work out what the internet’s future will be. Have you ever wondered or are you happy to delight in the pleasures of the latest application or broadband gadget?
So much has happened in the last 25 years that it is easy to forget how telecommunications technology has changed and how the rate of technological change is increasing.
So where will technology take the internet over the next 25 years? You might be surprised."
"We will not gain everything the internet has to offer until it is able to seamlessly integrate with the real world in every way, including being able to provide true real-world representations in real time, without the need for compression."
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Labor “surprised” by ABC’s NBN coverage

http://delimiter.com.au/2014/05/26/labor-surprised-abcs-nbn-coverage/

"Husic accused Turnbull of “building a Brandis-esque library of consultant reviews and reports” about the project (referring to the extensive parliamentary library of Attorney-General George Brandis), rather than focusing on its network construction effort. “And if they’re not rolling around in glee making snow angels out of the invoices the consultants have sent them, they are working hard to suppress different views on the NBN,” he said."

"In a statement last week, the ABC said Ross was a “respected and dedicated journalist in this area”. However, since the Media Watch coverage, Ross has largely backed away from the NBN topic. Another ABC reporter, Jake Sturmer, appears to have been reassigned away from the technology beat and is also no longer covering the NBN."
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)

Liberal MP (Moana Pasifika) misleads Parliament with NBN motion

http://delimiter.com.au/2014/05/27/liberal-MP (Moana Pasifika)-misleads-parliament-nbn-motion/

"Liberal MP (Moana Pasifika) Ann Sudmalis has moved a motion in the House of Representatives which appears to contain demonstrably false information about Labor’s National Broadband Network policy, in a controversial move which caused instant uproar on the part of Labor figures focused on the NBN policy."

"Lastly, of course we’re seeing the same inaccurate statements here regarding NBN Co’s Strategic Review that we’ve been seeing from Turnbull for some time. One wonders whether Sudmalis really understands what she is speaking about here — is she aware that she has mischaracterised the findings of the NBN Co Strategic Review to the House of Representatives? Has the new MP (Moana Pasifika), who has shown little interest in the NBN previously, even fully read the document?"

The above is partly the cause of this:-

.Labor On The Warpath Over 'Second-Rate NBN From A Third-Rate Government'

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/05/l...second-rate-nbn-from-a-third-rate-government/

"Clare accused Turnbull and his PM, Tony Abbott, of breaking their promise for a better national broadband network “faster” and “sooner”. The pair claimed that the majority of the country would have 25Mbps broadband by the end of 2016, a promise which has now been revised. The two of them were also chastised for capping the equity that would be poured into NBN Co over the next four years,meaning that the company now has to go cap in hand to the private sector to finish the roll-out.

The Australian public trusted an untrustworthy government,” Clare said of Abbott’s Coalition. Ouch.

"He added that the flawed Paid Parental Leave scheme will cost the country more over the next decade than the NBN construction project would, and said that the NBN will add more value to the country in return, before slamming Abbott’s narrow-minded view that the NBN is just a “video entertainment system”.
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
MT letting ego, ideology, and lack of common sense interfere with decision-making, again:-

Tell them they’re joking: Telstra still wants to own copper or HFC

http://delimiter.com.au/2014/05/27/tell-theyre-joking-telstra-still-wants-copper-hfc/

"If you’ve been following the statements of Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull and NBN Co executive chairman Ziggy Switkowski, you would think Telstra wouldn’t have a problem with selling both its copper and HFC networks to NBN Co so the Coalition’s much-hyped ‘Multi-Technology Mix’ rollout approach can go ahead. “I think the outcome of these negotiations should lead to a situation where the copper network, the ownership, is transferred into the NBN; the ownership of the HFC network is transferred into NBN,”Switkowski said in early April. However, as it turns out, Telstra has other ideas. The Australian newspaper reported last week (we recommend you click here for the full article):

“Telstra boss David Thodey has revealed the telco giant wants to retain control of either its copper or cable network as part of its reworked $11 billion deal with NBN Co …”
"What we’re seeing here with Telstra during the negotiation process over access to the telco’s networks is Telstra leveraging its position of strength over the Government to get the best possible result from the negotiations. Under Labor, the Government had Telstra up against a wall, because it fundamentally did not need Telstra’s assistance to build its NBN fibre infrastructure. It had the advantage. Under the Coalition, Telstra has the advantage — because the MTM mix approach cannot be delivered without Telstra’s active assistance. And Telstra is leveraging that situation to the absolute hilt."

FTTN is a massive waste of time and money compared to something that is more worthwhile like FTTP infrastructure.
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
“Liar!”: Rowland demands Turnbull tell NBN truth

http://delimiter.com.au/2014/05/28/liar-rowland-demands-turnbull-tell-nbn-truth/

"Shadow Assistant Minister for Communications Michelle Rowland has accused Malcolm Turnbull of being a “liar” and failing to “tell the truth”, with respect to the Communications Minister’s ongoing false statements about the cost of Labor’s National Broadband Network policy."

" in the long-run, (FTTP wouldn't) actually cost the Government anything, with the money to be recouped through monthly broadband subscriber fees."

“Before this government became expert on breaking election commitments, they were breaking promises on the NBN,” Rowland said. “We all remember the laughable press conference with the then opposition leader and the member for Wentworth and Sonny Bill Williams. During that press conference the now Prime Minister said: ‘Under the coalition by 2016 … there will be minimum download speeds of 25 megabits … we will deliver a minimum of 25 megabits … by the end of our first term.’”
“That promise was broken in December last year. It barely lasted a couple of months.”


From the comments:-

"Well explained, thorough and detailed. What will we get out of of MT? Probably a repeat of the same garbage he’s been spouting all along.
What will we here in mainstream media? *crickets*
Between that and the bleating about the Budget “Emergency”, it’s a depressing time to be an Australian. This Government are destined to set us back decades."
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
The "lack of cost to government/taxpayer" line has been explained numerous times, but still there are people who refuse to accept it.
 

Runner

Nev Cottrell (35)
" in the long-run, (FTTP wouldn't) actually cost the Government anything, with the money to be recouped through monthly broadband subscriber fees."

A hope. No company would build on that suggestion. What will be the rate?
Over what time frame?
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Will NBN Co become a Telstra reseller?

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...m_content=771358&utm_campaign=ts_daily&modapt

"Listening to Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull, one could get the impression that the remainder of the world has entered into another time dimension and Australia has returned to the 1950s. Talk of copper access networks and Hybrid Fibre Coaxial (HFC) abounds and Australians are being told they don’t know what they need now and no one knows what will be needed by 2020."

"The wheels appear to be wobbling on the multi-technology mix (MTM) bandwagon. By lowering the technology bar and opening the door to infrastructure competition the government has lost control over the tightly knit plan put together by the former government where companies were discouraged from access network infrastructure expenditure because they knew that NBN Co would roll out a wholesale fibre access network."

"If NBN Co becomes a 'Telstra Mark II' reseller of Telstra products, Telstra regains effective control of the industry (did it ever lose control?) and the NBN becomes the greatest 'lemon' in Australian history."
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
NBN/Telstra deal could be six months late

http://delimiter.com.au/2014/05/29/nbntelstra-deal-six-months-late/

"It’s extremely hard to see this as a surprise, given the fact that NBN Co’s previous delay with Telstra was extensively delayed, and given that as late as mid-January the pair had not even begun talking, but the Financial Review reported today that NBN Co’s negotiations with the nation’s largest telco Telstra over access to its copper and HFC cable networks could run up to six months late. Yup. The newspaper reports (we recommend you click here for the full article):"

MT criticised any delay of FTTP.

Now the shoe's on the other foot.

No doubt he'll try to distance himself from this.
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-AK (Andrew Kellaway)-xpf1/t1.0-9/s851x315/10151308_230976810443509_989100528986520054_n.jpg
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
NBN fibre-to-the-node trials delayed

http://www.zdnet.com/au/nbn-fibre-to-the-node-trials-delayed-7000030026/

"NBN Co was due to commence live trials of fibre-to-the-node technology in Umina in New South Wales, and Epping in Victoria at the start of May, however neither trial has yet commenced.
As part of the shift to the multi-technology mix model proposed by the new Coalition government, NBN Co first announced its fibre-to-the-node pilot in February, with the company planning on accessing Telstra's spare copper pairs in the two locations serving up to 100 premises each in a trial that was set to commence at the start of May, and run until the end of October."

"The Coalition senators last night shut down the estimates hearing half an hour earlier than originally scheduled, amid complaints from former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, who warned that NBN Co executives would be called before the Senate Select Committee for up to six hours to complete facing questions from the parliament."

NBNCo is unable to keep to it's schedule for a limited trial. Where's the criiticism from MT, ther shock-jocks, and the vusual suspects? Crickets?

Given the entire notional reason for FTTN was it was quicker, how the hell does this give any confidence in Mtm (which really needs to show some runs on the board sooner rather than later)?
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Also see my post above.^^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxlhyX-4qKI

Huge surprise: FTTN trials already delayed

http://delimiter.com.au/2014/06/02/huge-whopping-surprise-cbn-fttn-trials-already-delayed/

"Well, we knew it was coming. The extensive delays suffered by NBN Co during its rollout under the previous Labor administration are starting to hit the project under the Coalition as well. Last week it was revealed that NBN Co’s new deal with Telstra may not be inked until the end of 2014. And later on in the week ZDNet confirmed (we recommend you click here for the full article) that NBN Co’s trials of the Coalition’s preferred Fibre to the Node technology have also been delayed."

"There is no doubt about it: Even in its initial phases, the Coalition’s rival Multi-Technology Mix/Coalition’s Broadband Network model is starting to be delayed, just as Labor’s previous FTTP model was. One wonders how much further things will get off track before the next Federal Election."
 

BPC

Phil Hardcastle (33)
Also see my post above.^^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxlhyX-4qKI

Huge surprise: FTTN trials already delayed

http://delimiter.com.au/2014/06/02/huge-whopping-surprise-cbn-fttn-trials-already-delayed/

"Well, we knew it was coming. The extensive delays suffered by NBN Co during its rollout under the previous Labor administration are starting to hit the project under the Coalition as well. Last week it was revealed that NBN Co’s new deal with Telstra may not be inked until the end of 2014. And later on in the week ZDNet confirmed (we recommend you click here for the full article) that NBN Co’s trials of the Coalition’s preferred Fibre to the Node technology have also been delayed."

"There is no doubt about it: Even in its initial phases, the Coalition’s rival Multi-Technology Mix/Coalition’s Broadband Network model is starting to be delayed, just as Labor’s previous FTTP model was. One wonders how much further things will get off track before the next Federal Election."

Take away message - both sides of politics lie, or at least significantly overestimate, their progress in achieving their goals.

In other earth shattering news, scientists have confirmed that water is wet.


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