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The Residency / Poaching Thing.

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by Dismal Pillock, Oct 17, 2019.

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Teste Rugbye Eligibilitye Periodii:

capped players can stand down for 1 year then play for nation of birth 6 vote(s) 21.4%
capped players can stand down for 3 years then play for nation of birth 11 vote(s) 39.3%
capped players can stand down for 5 years then play for nation of birth 4 vote(s) 14.3%
1 year residency rule is fine 2 vote(s) 7.1%
3 year residency rule is fine 9 vote(s) 32.1%
5 year residency rule is fine 8 vote(s) 28.6%
10 year residency rule is fine 4 vote(s) 14.3%
parents rule is fine 10 vote(s) 35.7%
grandparents rule is fine 6 vote(s) 21.4%
www.grannytranny.org is fine 6 vote(s) 21.4%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Show-n-go Ted Thorn (20)

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    Such a weird response, of course he qualifies to represent them under the current laws, otherwise he wouldn’t be in the squad? The discussion is around whether we should change that, not challenging the legiticamy of current selections


    And nobody cares about you or your experiences mate, totally irrelevant, take it elsewhere. Just getting emotional for nothing
  2. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    No Pacific Islanders care about your weird demand to make them sign on to just one country. You can take that shit elsewhere.

    Do you need a safe space free of emotions?
  3. Show-n-go Ted Thorn (20)

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    So what’s the solution then? What do you think should happen?
  4. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Players who are no longer wanted by Tier 1 countries should be free to be selected by Tier 2 countries if they are eligible by heritage/residency.

    Why is that only players are subject to the eligibility rules? Why don't they apply to coaches, administrators and basically anyone who is involved with the Test team?
  5. Sully John Eales (66)

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    I disagree. Playing for more than one country would devalue it for everyone. When it comes right down to it those PI players chose who they played for with full knowledge there was no turning back.
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  6. Show-n-go Ted Thorn (20)

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    And what’s the eligibility matrix? Where’s the cutoff for heritage? Or do you just have to prove that you “feel” it?
  7. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    What a load of rubbish. Doesn't devalue the jersey at all. Michael Jones, Frank Bunce, Stephen Bachop and Inga Tuigamala all represented both the ABs and the Manu - didn't devalue the jersey at all.

    Pacific Island players do make a choice because they are forced to. It's not all about just playing for the country you may want to when it may mean losing huge money in income and even losing contracts.
  8. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Yeah sure - just 'feel' it.

    Fuck you're a dick
  9. Show-n-go Ted Thorn (20)

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    Well go on answer the question then, where’s the cutoff?
  10. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Again, why doesn't Eddie Jones - a guy who has represented 4 different countries at the RWC - devalued the jersey? Why is it only players who have to chose what country they represent?
  11. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Answer mine first.
  12. Show-n-go Ted Thorn (20)

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    Cause he doesn’t wear the jersey hahaha
  13. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    So that's your cut-off? Coaches don't represent the country then?
  14. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    Jesus, can you guys tone it down a bit? By all means have a debate, but fewer personal comments. Please.
    Thank you.
    A Mod.
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  15. Dismal Pillock Greg Davis (50)

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    Agree. Once you can just switch allegiances on a whim of your personal convenience it reduces test rugby to glorified club rugby. It's already daft-looking enough now with all the international mercenaries. #Japan.
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  16. Show-n-go Ted Thorn (20)

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    Well no, I haven’t factored in coaches in any part of my discussion, but I’m actually not against countries only employing coaches from their country.

    So what’s the cutoff for heritage in your books?
  17. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    It is mercenary already. The financial benefits in playing for Aus/NZ/Eng etc far outweigh anything that playing for the pacific nations has to offer. Guys like Jack Lam LOSE money by playing for Samoa.

    Again, the idea that Tests lose value or the 'jersey' is devalued isn't supported by any evidence. No-one has thought less of wearing the Manu Samoa or AB jersey because Inga wore both or because Brad Thorn played for the Kangaroos.

    In league, seeing all the Mate Ma'a Tonga players switch allegiance has seen a GREATER value placed on the jersey.
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  18. Bullrush Jim Lenehan (48)

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    I think the current cut-offs are fine.
  19. Sully John Eales (66)

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    International League is a joke. using it as a plus in your arguement does you no favours. Nothing you've said has changed my mind.
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  20. Show-n-go Ted Thorn (20)

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    But i

    But in your own words “ telling pacific islanders how they should and shouldn't feel about being able to represent their countries and heritage”. So how can you justify a cutoff at all? What if old mate joe blow has a Tongan great grandmother and has a deep heart felt connection to Tongan even though he wasn’t born there or lived there ever in his life etc etc? Are you saying that he shouldn’t be allowed to represent his country and his heritage doesn’t count?

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