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Tim Horan (67)
"Happy" is an antonym, right?

Mate, I agree with pretty much all the detail of your post, but hell, its got to be a painful world where you live.

These days, I have no interest at all in Larkham's past (recognise it, respect it, but I'm living now). He's no good to Cheika. IMO. But the same way that Wobblies fans have a rusted on Cheika, I reckon that Brumbies fans should consider Larkham rusted on. Like Cheika, like it or not.

And in turn HE needs better qualities in his ream around strategy, analysis and general nous.

We are where we are. IE Aus rugby is where Aus rugby is. Whining is pointless, and guys like Cheika and Latkham are the blokes to lead us through it.

As a Reds fan I'd add Stiles. I still dont know how I feel with him as HC. Still feel like we were diddled with the ARU on the selection committee and the ARU apparently suggesting that a foreigner at the Reds was not in the interests of the Wallabies. (Good Grief.) and Im still waiting for the Force coach. Right now, like it or not, Stiles is rusted on. Lets get with the programme. (He also needs strategy and analysis.)

It floors me that someone like Nicholas over at Roar doesnt have a "real" job in Aus.

Time to support Cheika and (back at the Brumbies) Larkham.
 
Brumby Runner

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David Wilson (68)
I wouldn't be unhappy if Larkham either elects or is told to remain full time at the Brumbies for the next year or so, so long as he is supported here with a top class attack asst coach to help with the backline. Watching the NRC with interest in this regard.
 
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Andrew Slack (58)
upthereds#! said:
grey, larkham and ledesma gotta go.

Matt Taylor, Scott Wisemantal and Laurie Fisher instead.
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Wonder if you can match the £s and other advantages these blokes have.

The June Tours would likely be the only time Taylor has to spend more than one night not in his own bed. Fisher and Wisemantel would be similar, having not even got the international duties. Without knowledge of the family situation, and not necessarily the same desire/pathway to be an assistant prevalent in NZ, it'll be a tough job.
 
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Dean Mumm:
"I've been around a lot of teams and I think we certainly have a goal of where we want to be and just need some time to develop the skills to make sure we're in the right position. "
Time to develop the skills? He's 32 and never had any other job but playing rugby. Same for the others.
What have they been doing for all these years?
 
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Tim Horan (67)
Highlander35 said:
Wonder if you can match the £s and other advantages these blokes have.

The June Tours would likely be the only time Taylor has to spend more than one night not in his own bed. Fisher and Wisemantel would be similar, having not even got the international duties. Without knowledge of the family situation, and not necessarily the same desire/pathway to be an assistant prevalent in NZ, it'll be a tough job.
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Right now I'd prefer an analyst-tactician like Chook Fowler. And no reason this cant be implemented temporarily with immediate effect.

Swapping out Gray, Larkham Ledesma for Taylor, Wisematel, Fisher (or similar) should investigated for implementation at the completion of the RC. IF it can be done.
 
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Rocky Elsom (76)
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Will Genia (78)
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RugbyReg said:
I enjoyed reading that, but if he was truly an option as an analyst I'd like to see him tell us how to play the All Blacks not how we did. Perhaps he does this already, but the value of an analyst is telling us what to do not what we did.
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I thought we just had to stop selecting Foley, Hooper and Mumm and we were certain to beat the All Blacks.
 
No4918

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John Hipwell (52)
upthereds#! said:
grey, larkham and ledesma gotta go.

Matt Taylor, Scott Wisemantal and Laurie Fisher instead.
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Surely getting rid of Ledesma is a bit over done? And by a bit, i mean a fuck load.

Finally the Wallbies can get scrum parity and dominace on occasion. He sure can't run a lineout so Fisher may help with that and general forward play.
 
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Tony Shaw (54)
dru said:
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It floors me that someone like Nicholas over at Roar doesnt have a "real" job in Aus.

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It doesn't floor me - there are many very capable rugby skills technicians and analysts in the overall Australian rugby systems that are neglected and woefully under-utilised.

An excellent example is Stu Lierich of Brisbane. An exceptional kicking and catching skills coach, gets consulting gigs internationally, barely used in Australia. (See https://kickcoaching.com.au )

The central reason is that, with rare exception, Australian rugby has gradually dumbed itself down in the last decade or so. Our national focus has been on quantity expansion and propping up poorly run State RUs and not competitive skills advancement. Meanwhile, our leaders have fostered the myth that our challenges are purely ones of player selection and finding the odd decent HC and little else.

Systemically, we are miles off the competitive pace in terms of investing in and recognising the crucial power and impact of deep skills coaching embedded in multiple layers of the code's overall structure. That's principally why you see what you see in 2016's Super teams and Wallabies. And why the ARU considers that a small, relatively low-cost coterie of largely unproven part-timers is an adequate Wallaby coaching team whilst in parallel spending multiple $Ms each year on averting bankruptcies in Perth and Melbourne with Canberra soon to follow.
 
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David Wilson (68)
Braveheart81 said:
I thought we just had to stop selecting Foley, Hooper and Mumm and we were certain to beat the All Blacks.
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Very close to the mark there BH. Hooper will always be in the squad and will start in 7 next year, no doubt. But it is time to give the Pooper a rest to see how we might go with a different structure in the back row. Mumm has been surprisingly (to me) good off the bench, but I still think there will be better options and that he won't be around come RWC 2019. Foley certainly must go from the starting lineup, and probably from the 23. Has his stint in Japan affected his abilities this year?

There are other changes needed as well - Moore, Simmons, McCalman, Overseas players (except Genia), Larkham and Grey all to get the flick. We still won't beat the ABs anytime soon, but those will be steps in the right direction.
 
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Tony Shaw (54)
dru said:
Right now I'd prefer an analyst-tactician like Chook Fowler. And no reason this cant be implemented temporarily with immediate effect.

Swapping out Gray, Larkham Ledesma for Taylor, Wisematel, Fisher (or similar) should investigated for implementation at the completion of the RC. IF it can be done.
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I very much agree that something radical and soon needs to be done with the coaching resources under MC.

I still have faith in Cheika, I believe he possesses the rugby intelligence, grit, intellectual honesty, motivational skills and overall personal character to succeed as a national HC.

But the obvious lack of adequate specialist coaching talent underneath him is now threatening to eat him up and turn him dark as the team is lacking improvement and the right direction in detail. The echoes of the listless and lost Deans' years are returning, ominously.

Cheika is bit-by-bit showing the classic signs of not coping well as a leader, namely deflecting, blaming, attacking refs, over-emoting re side issues, relentlessly sticking with conservative selections as his self-confidence in renovating and innovating is lacking, and so on.

He and Pulver now need the courage to purge and renew.
 
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Tim Horan (67)
RugbyReg said:
I enjoyed reading that, but if he was truly an option as an analyst I'd like to see him tell us how to play the All Blacks not how we did. Perhaps he does this already, but the value of an analyst is telling us what to do not what we did.
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You're right Reg. I would think working as a journo is part of it, but he has given little over what to do with the WBs other than as a result of looking at the games after the fact.

But I doubt there are many who have a guaranteed plan to beat the ABs. And at least he advocates the end of the double 10 plan.
 
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Ken Catchpole (46)
No4918 said:
Surely getting rid of Ledesma is a bit over done? And by a bit, i mean a fuck load.

Finally the Wallbies can get scrum parity and dominace on occasion. He sure can't run a lineout so Fisher may help with that and general forward play.
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He can go as forwards coach, and stay as scrum coach. I've said before he should be a ARU Coach like Mick Byrnes and help out with scrums across the country inc u20 state squads as being a scrum coach for the wallabies shouldn't constitute a full time job.
 
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John Hipwell (52)
The torpedo said:
Hahahahaha.
That article is pathetic.
Did Paul Cully not remember the Deans era?
Players out of position.
Players selected on 1 criteria: Do you play for the Tahs?
The 1 try a game average.
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How many aspects of the Wallabies play has improved since he left?
 
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David Wilson (68)
Inside Shoulder said:
Dean Mumm:
"I've been around a lot of teams and I think we certainly have a goal of where we want to be and just need some time to develop the skills to make sure we're in the right position. "
Time to develop the skills? He's 32 and never had any other job but playing rugby. Same for the others.
What have they been doing for all these years?
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Nailed it IS. He's been in elite rugby programmes since his teens (like almost all of them). Sigh.
 
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Frank Row (1)
Brumby Runner said:
Very close to the mark there BH. Hooper will always be in the squad and will start in 7 next year, no doubt. But it is time to give the Pooper a rest to see how we might go with a different structure in the back row. Mumm has been surprisingly (to me) good off the bench, but I still think there will be better options and that he won't be around come RWC 2019. Foley certainly must go from the starting lineup, and probably from the 23. Has his stint in Japan affected his abilities this year?

There are other changes needed as well - Moore, Simmons, McCalman, Overseas players (except Genia), Larkham and Grey all to get the flick. We still won't beat the ABs anytime soon, but those will be steps in the right direction.
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If you flick these blokes and they go OS then the Super Rugby Teams lose players and we replace them club players who aren't upto Super Rugby. Fact is these blokes come through a schoolboys system that is weak and self driven. The comps are 100 years old and don't allow the best teams to play each other. You get a couple of hard games a year for 6 years of secondary school. Many players don't play club rugby after 14. So 10 GPS/CAS/ISA/AIC matches a year. Then into a super rugby team or academy. The kiwis must be laughing.
 
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