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Where to for Super Rugby?

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Derpus

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
Quick Hands said:
Rugby has unfortunately become an invisible sport to the sporting public of Sydney. The mainstream media shows little interest, presumably because the think that their readers/listeners/viewers aren't interested - or so few of them are interested that they don't count.

For example in the Friday edition of the Daily Telegraph yesterday there wasn't one story on rugby in over 20 pages of sporting coverage. Today there were two mentions of rugby and neither mentioned any on-field action. One was a story in which Michael Cheika gave his views on whether TJ Perenara would make in the NRL - this was about 15 pages from the back. The other story was 22 pages from the back and was a short couple of paragraphs noting that RA's latest jersey sponsor had pulled out at the 11th hour. I can't recall the last time I saw a report in a news bulletin on commercial TV on a rugby game.

People simply aren't buying what rugby is selling, but unfortunately rugby seems to want to keep selling the same product and hope that former supporters and uncommitted sports fans will somehow start buying.
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Murdoch paper doesnt cover rugby after rugby turn down Murdoch money.

Shock.

SMH is covering Rugby plenty. From what ive seen of the numbers viewership is up broadly. Hardly a surprise no one in Sydney is too fussed given the state of the Tahs.
 
Dan54

Dan54

Tim Horan (67)
Quick Hands said:
Governing bodies shouldn't be involved in running pro-sports teams in pro-leagues. Teams need to be run on a club or private franchise model and need to be commercially viable without the need to be constantly propped-up and/or bailed out by the national body.

Rugby needs to adopt a Darwinian natural selection model where the best organisations are allowed to prosper and the shambolic outfits such as the NSWRU/Waratahs are allowed to go out of business.

The sooner we get away from the capitalise your profits and socialise your losses model, which simply breeds mediocrity on and off the field, the better.
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Probably right, I am a fan of comps pro comp being run completely independantly, well I think most on here are, the only draw back would be is there would be no Super Au or AO, which I personally think would be good. Let NZR and RA run domestic semi pro comps and another board run Super or whaqtever it will be.
 
Derpus

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
WorkingClassRugger said:
So. Apparently Super Au has seen a 144% increase on viewers this season. Not including Stan figures. And there's been a 16.4% jump in player registrations.

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/ratin...per-rugby-au-prepares-for-finals-2021426-news
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I love it when something i post is so quickly corroborated by hard data.

I think that reaffirms the importance of having a domestic comp. TT must be additional.

Edit: if i was a conniving RA CEO i would be angling to have Drua playing in a domestic only component. Pretty logical, as MP (Moana Pasifika) are based out of Auckland. MP (Moana Pasifika) are also a trainwreck waiting to happen. Far better to involve the Drua initially.
 
WorkingClassRugger

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
Derpus said:
I love it when something i post is so quickly corroborated by hard data.

I think that reaffirms the importance of having a domestic comp. TT must be additional.

Edit: if i was a conniving RA CEO i would be angling to have Drua playing in a domestic only component. Pretty logical, as MP (Moana Pasifika) are based out of Auckland. MP (Moana Pasifika) are also a trainwreck waiting to happen. Far better to involve the Drua initially.
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Will be really interested to see what the end figures are with Stan included. I watched every game via Stan and I'm very curious to see how the uptake has been.
 
wamberal

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
WorkingClassRugger said:
Will be really interested to see what the end figures are with Stan included. I watched every game via Stan and I'm very curious to see how the uptake has been.
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We watch the 9GEM coverage when the game is on there, because it is a lot more flexible. We can start watching when we feel like it, fast forward through the stoppages. I have asked STAN why we cannot do the same, they said something about needing to update their software to work on our LG set.
 
Derpus

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
wamberal said:
We watch the 9GEM coverage when the game is on there, because it is a lot more flexible. We can start watching when we feel like it, fast forward through the stoppages. I have asked STAN why we cannot do the same, they said something about needing to update their software to work on our LG set.
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Sounds like a quality of life thing that will improve over time.
 
dru

dru

Tim Horan (67)
Quick Hands said:
Governing bodies shouldn't be involved in running pro-sports teams in pro-leagues. Teams need to be run on a club or private franchise model and need to be commercially viable without the need to be constantly propped-up and/or bailed out by the national body.

Rugby needs to adopt a Darwinian natural selection model where the best organisations are allowed to prosper and the shambolic outfits such as the NSWRU/Waratahs are allowed to go out of business.

The sooner we get away from the capitalise your profits and socialise your losses model, which simply breeds mediocrity on and off the field, the better.
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I quite liked the system NSWRU had in place until they recently changed it. Waratahs Ltd being a separate entity that had to pay a license to play pro rugby in NSW. If they kept your "Darwinism" the Waratahs might be out with bids now being accepted from others to step up.

And they would have been in position to require a license to be negotiated by the Drua. That doesn't strike me as silly.
 
hoggy

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Trevor Allan (34)
Derpus said:
I love it when something i post is so quickly corroborated by hard data.

I think that reaffirms the importance of having a domestic comp. TT must be additional.

Edit: if i was a conniving RA CEO i would be angling to have Drua playing in a domestic only component. Pretty logical, as MP (Moana Pasifika) are based out of Auckland. MP (Moana Pasifika) are also a trainwreck waiting to happen. Far better to involve the Drua initially.
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I get what your saying, but would it be worth it just restricting the Drua to the Australian conference. If there based out of Sydney you achieve a presence every week in Sydney which continues during the TT component.

The issue I see is both the RA and NZRU are pretty stretched financially, so will there be private equity available to ensure these teams are viable.

The Drua could be pretty competitive in an Australian conference which just adds to the competition and makes it more exciting.

Not sure Moana Pasifika will be as competitive in the NZ conference, because will they not be drawing primarily on Samoan & Tongan players.

But to counter that, considering the talent available in the Islands, its ensuring they are have the structures in place to assist them to putting those teams out on the park.
 
Dctarget

Dctarget

John Eales (66)
On their quota rule, do they have to be eligible at the time or just once eligible? Like can you have Julian Savea turning out for MP (Moana Pasifika)? If the wages are going to be competitive with other Super teams it might be something they're fiercely proud to do.
 
Dan54

Dan54

Tim Horan (67)
Dctarget said:
On their quota rule, do they have to be eligible at the time or just once eligible? Like can you have Julian Savea turning out for MP (Moana Pasifika)? If the wages are going to be competitive with other Super teams it might be something they're fiercely proud to do.
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I think eligible at time, and the ones that aren't I think is being left for the Julian Savea, Steven Luatua type scenarios if they want a crack. I sure there one or 2 in Aus as well who are no longer required.
 
wamberal

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Derpus said:
Sounds like a quality of life thing that will improve over time.
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Hope so. I have to say that I do suspect that watching it on 9GEM (via Foxtel) boosts ratings - I am pretty sure that Foxtel counts viewer numbers. Nothing to do with official numbers, but maybe significant to some extent.
 
kiap

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Steve Williams (59)
Teh Other Dave said:
I just realised that I don't know if my house even has an antenna.
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You Gen Z types are too cool for school. ;)

Yes, terrestrial tv will go the way of the 'ol wireless … although tbf, AM does continue on after 100 yrs.

With 100:1 compression now, they're doing 8K video over air in the same old channel bands. Gotta love technology.

Of course, business models are a different story. IMO traditional big box pay tv is soon to be Dee Eee Dee - dead.
 
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Dave Cowper (27)
Dan54

Dan54

Tim Horan (67)
Not sure how true this is, but if it is could be full TT comp from next year.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...has-concerns-about-moana-pasifika-fijian-drua


Personally I still think it way to go, I have said before I think while the 5 team comps have been good, they staring to wear a bit thin, and as we get back to a more normal landscape re sports and covid, it may just fade quite a bit . And if RA looking at getting PE involved , they have to give them an attractive package I imagine. Could be wrong (I have known to be) but believe it the better option.
 
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