Waynw Smith is filling columbs with make believe.. And why arent you showing your Force support icon anymore champ??
NTT, just in terms of success....
The Brumbies have made the finals the past 4 years, and are currently on top of the Aus conference....
And on top of that his they've won two championships and have been runners up a number of times.
You don't axe your most successful team, especially when that success extends to the present day.
In fairness to the Brumbies, crowd figures should be judged on a per capita basis for each teams state population. On which basis the Rebels are the worst performing team by a HUGE margin. They get equal size crowds to the Brumbies with 15 X the population.
In fairness to the Brumbies, crowd figures should be judged on a per capita basis for each teams state population. On which basis the Rebels are the worst performing team by a HUGE margin. They get equal size crowds to the Brumbies with 15 X the population.
I never had an icon though I am a WF supporter. Given time I will fix that.
I am also firmly in the 5 Team camp and think cutting a team for Aus is an unimaginative backward step by people who have never ran a business where their personal future is on the line. They are Corporate types who understand the theory of early stop losses but have no practical experience of implementing them. Action should have been taken some years ago. And when they stuff up don't have to take personal responsibility for the many 100x their net worth lost, say the NAB in the UK loss, many billions gone and did anyone get the sack? I bet the directors didn't. The system that these directors learnt in is a system that has no direct accountability so they don't really understand pain as being felt by WF, Rebels and Brumbies supporters who carry the entire loss.
So not only do they not have to take responsibility for their incompetence and partial destruction of rugby. But they are not coming up with any imaginative plans and getting everybody working together.
Anyway if the ARU clearly, imo, worked counter to the WF alliance why would the WF not be given the opportunity to re purchase their licence, then restart negotiations.
Haha, ah dear. 10,000 people is 10,000 people. They all pay $25 each. Market size means little when it's percentages. 80,000 supporters in a 100,000 market isn't as effective as 100,000 people in a 200,000 market. Depending on your narrative it's either 80% compared to 50% or 100,000 compared to 80,000.
The facts are in relation to crowds, the rebels, force and brumbies are all below par. The brumbies are the best team in aus yet have had sub 10k crowds? The rebels had 7,500 on Saturday and the force 8,000 on a perfect Sunday afternoon the day if they ever needed a crowd for show of defiance. All have failed the test.
Brumbies don't develop local talent, yet develop plenty of other from other states. Force developing talent, 1 player of note, the rebels 0. Yet the force 11 years and the rebels 6. The rebels have provided more current wallabies, yet the force have supplied the most valuable. It's like we are stuck on a round about not knowing which exit to take, we all wanna take different exits.
Performance. The force are good this year??? 2 from 6. Awesome. Rebels 1 from 6. Terrible. Brumbies 3 from 7. Then we can look at the schedule so far rebels played 4 of 5 kiwi teams, force 2 of 5, brumbies 2 of 5. Rebels over the 6 years have beaten the force 4 times overall to the forces 2, they have also won 6 of their last 8 aus conference games or over the last 2 and a half seasons have won 17 of their 37 games compared to the forces 7 of 37. Pat on the back awesome performance by both. But then the force have a winning season to their record in 2014 and are higher on the table this season.
Time zones??? Good for South Africa and Europe yet not ideal for Australian audiences. Isn't decisions like that, that have us in this mess!! No rebels means on certain weeks with a team having a bye and the other away we could possibly end up without a single game at primetime. Perspective people, it just depends where you sit.
Back onto team performance, judged against each other yet one team gets 2.6mil more to spend, another 1.3, another 1.05, finally the two on the chopping board 240k and 120k. But then the rebels receive 8mil, force 7.7 etc. but then again rebels deal is front loaded. Take a snapshot if that suits your game, look at things going forward if it doesn't. I'm surprised nobody has discussed expenses! Surely it'd cost considerably more to fly form the west, perhaps 100s of thousands more a year, id also dare say aami stadium is probably more expensive to rent each year than NIB.
I could go on all day, it's all about narrative when picking your arguments, let's all keep that in mind before we start trying to push someone in front of the bus.
Haha, ah dear. 10,000 people is 10,000 people. They all pay $25 each. Market size means little when it's percentages. 80,000 supporters in a 100,000 market isn't as effective as 100,000 people in a 200,000 market. Depending on your narrative it's either 80% compared to 50% or 100,000 compared to 80,000.
but over what timeframe ? just last Saturday for example, this season so far, last year or last 4 -5 years. i think his point is you can choose whatever metric you like to justify your position. the ARU to their eternal discredit have not, as far as i know, publicly stated what the criteria are for retaining or culling a franchise, and why those would not be applied across the five franchises. We all know why the big three are safe, but for the sake of transparency if not for just PR why not give some reasons.Results speak for themselves.
But it is an important metric to show fan engagement and market penetration. Basically, the Rebels have neither.
And that comes down to wether the ARU is a business or guardian of the sport. While it's important that they get the financial side correct so they don't bankrupt the sport, there are more considerations that must me made so they can fulfil their key reason for existing which is shepherding the future of the game.10,000 is 10,000. You are still appealing to the same sized audience. 10,000 people in a market of 1mil for example is the same as 10,000 in a market of 20,000. If this was a maths question, that asked how many people have you engaged with or your penetration size the answer is both 10,000. Like I said before it's all about narrative.
NTT, just in terms of success....
The Brumbies have made the finals the past 4 years, and are currently on top of the Aus conference....
And on top of that his they've won two championships and have been runners up a number of times.
You don't axe your most successful team, especially when that success extends to the present day.
The details are sketchy of course, not having been made entirely public yet, but a deal of some type that includes a thirty year accommodation arrangement, though not something I would personally endorse, is hardly an operating loss.
Same same force IP is owned by the ARU. Sold by th force boad. Extra ARU with ongoing costs every year. Smiths anti Brumbirs articles ate made to create his own nees.
Haha, ah dear. 10,000 people is 10,000 people. They all pay $25 each. Market size means little when it's percentages. 80,000 supporters in a 100,000 market isn't as effective as 100,000 people in a 200,000 market. Depending on your narrative it's either 80% compared to 50% or 100,000 compared to 80,000.
The facts are in relation to crowds, the rebels, force and brumbies are all below par. The brumbies are the best team in aus yet have had sub 10k crowds? The rebels had 7,500 on Saturday and the force 8,000 on a perfect Sunday afternoon the day if they ever needed a crowd for show of defiance. All have failed the test.
Brumbies don't develop local talent, yet develop plenty of other from other states. Force developing talent, 1 player of note, the rebels 0. Yet the force 11 years and the rebels 6. The rebels have provided more current wallabies, yet the force have supplied the most valuable. It's like we are stuck on a round about not knowing which exit to take, we all wanna take different exits.
Performance. The force are good this year??? 2 from 6. Awesome. Rebels 1 from 6. Terrible. Brumbies 3 from 7. Then we can look at the schedule so far rebels played 4 of 5 kiwi teams, force 2 of 5, brumbies 2 of 5. Rebels over the 6 years have beaten the force 4 times overall to the forces 2, they have also won 6 of their last 8 aus conference games or over the last 2 and a half seasons have won 17 of their 37 games compared to the forces 7 of 37. Pat on the back awesome performance by both. But then the force have a winning season to their record in 2014 and are higher on the table this season.
Time zones??? Good for South Africa and Europe yet not ideal for Australian audiences. Isn't decisions like that, that have us in this mess!! No rebels means on certain weeks with a team having a bye and the other away we could possibly end up without a single game at primetime. Perspective people, it just depends where you sit.
Back onto team performance, judged against each other yet one team gets 2.6mil more to spend, another 1.3, another 1.05, finally the two on the chopping board 240k and 120k. But then the rebels receive 8mil, force 7.7 etc. but then again rebels deal is front loaded. Take a snapshot if that suits your game, look at things going forward if it doesn't. I'm surprised nobody has discussed expenses! Surely it'd cost considerably more to fly form the west, perhaps 100s of thousands more a year, id also dare say aami stadium is probably more expensive to rent each year than NIB.
I could go on all day, it's all about narrative when picking your arguments, let's all keep that in mind before we start trying to push someone in front of the bus.
NTT, I don't have time to refute all your points right now because I'm on the go...
But in regards to on field success - The Brumbies have been in the finals 4 times since 2011 and currently lead the Aussie conference.
How have the other teams performed in that time?
Also, Fitzroy is hardly an apt comparison.
Agree with all except the bit in bold. Flying to WA from eastern Australia and NZ is still a lot cheaper than flying to Argentina. As with flying from South Africa to Perth is cheaper than flying South Africa to New Zealand. Adding Perth has not nearly increased the travel costs in the same way adding Argentina and Japan has.