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Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
I'm sure that is one still outstanding issue.

I don't think we should get bogged down in single issues.

RA has made it clear from the start by their actions that they want any new competitions not directly under their control to fail.

They will raise any single issue and use their influence in order to achieve this goal.

The current board made their bed with regards to Twiggy long ago.

As time goes on and their power diminishes they will try to make compromises. Robbo's recent comments sound whiny and pathetic.

The end game is pretty obvious I think.


I know RA is on the nose but I truly believe they are not that stupid to want Twiggy Ball to fail....they realise the importance of major investment Twiggy prepared to make and I do believe Wallaby eligibility issue for teams outside of Australia not as simple as people think.
 

Killer

Cyril Towers (30)
I know RA is on the nose but I truly believe they are not that stupid to want Twiggy Ball to fail..they realise the importance of major investment Twiggy prepared to make and I do believe Wallaby eligibility issue for teams outside of Australia not as simple as people think.


Intelligence and integrity aren't part of RA's make up, self interest, secrecy and power are the main ingredients.
Having someone else dictate or even just oversee their actions doesn't work for them, the Board has to be all powerful.
Look big picture not single issues.
 

Strewthcobber

Mark Ella (57)
It is a pity RA could not sanction Wallaby eligibility for any WSR teams say for X year period (transition period to support competition establishment). Now I am no legal eagle but if RA was concerned this may open up UK/Europe based oz players challenging that they should be also eligible for Wallaby selection and that this provides a precedent and supports restraint of trade arguments I could understand.
All eligible euro players are legally able to play for the Wallabies if invited during the international window.

It's just a RA policy that they are not

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Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
Intelligence and integrity aren't part of RA's make up, self interest, secrecy and power are the main ingredients.

Having someone else dictate or even just oversee their actions doesn't work for them, the Board has to be all powerful.

Look big picture not single issues.



Well after just hearing Penrith EMU's been axed from Super Rugby I am in no mood to try and defend RA....all their bullshit rhetoric about the importance of Western Sydney as a Rugby market....seriously what a load of frigging crock. I so despise RA for what they have done to our game.....
 

Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
I am looking forward to seeing broadcast options for Twiggy ball next season and hopefully not on Foxtel as I am ready to register huge protest vote against RA and support Twiggy ball then super rugby as I am just so brassed off with developments under RA but looking for alternatives broadcast wise for local RA broadcast content (outside of shute shield broadcast game). As already changed my live game preferences where go to shute shield and nrc games only as live rugby games and no longer go to Tahs games but looking to hopefully cancel my Foxtel subscription and view twiggy ball on different broadcast platform (happy to pay but not for RA supported Foxtel.....)
 

ForceFan

Chilla Wilson (44)
So pleasing to see the coverage outside of WA.

Andrew Forrest's World Series Rugby dream starts Friday, but can it work?

Australian Financial Review - 29 April 2018
Andrew Forrest has two things going for him when it come to his quest to relaunch the Western Force rugby union team as part of wider push of the sport across Asia: money and supreme confidence.​
He insists he won't need much of the former and clearly possesses a lot of the latter, despite critics who charge his idea of creating World Series Rugby, essentially a start-up competition designed around keeping the Force afloat after it was chopped from Super Rugby last year, is a folly destined to fail.​
On Friday evening, the Force will run out in front of what Forrest and his assembled team of sports administrators hope is a crowd of up to 20,000 for a match against Fiji. It is one of seven matches the Force will play in Perth this year, in what will be a bit of a test run for a wider competition in 2019 and beyond.​
Then, Forrest tells The Australian Financial Review, he hopes to have established "a collegiate and collaborative competition in Asia" that could include teams from Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore and even the likes of Indonesia, Sri Lanka and India.​
Critics charge it all sounds a bit fanciful. The Force lasted a decade in Super Rugby but after an initial few years of excitement failed to draw huge crowds for most of its life. It ran into financial problems which saw local rugby authorities transfer the ownership licence to Rugby Australia. It then moved to cut the Force in favour of keeping the Melbourne Rebels intact.​
Rugby is not exactly shooting the lights out in terms of popularity in Australia right now, either. Not since 2002 has Australia retained the Bledisloe Cup over arch-rivals New Zealand and Australia's Super Rugby franchises have struggled on the field and at the box office.​
Add to that the are non-traditional rugby markets Forrest's World Series Rugby wants to push into across south-east Asia, leaving some to question just how much interest there would be in a contest between, for example, a Sri Lankan team and one from South Korea.​
Forrest has little time for those questioning his plans, saying that he will apply the mindset and strategies that have seen him firstly build a mining empire at Fortescue Metals Group, which propelled him to the top echelons of the Financial Review Rich List, and then his extensive philanthropic interests.​
'This is anything but a charade'​
"I don't do anything by halves," Forrest says firmly, before adding after being asked how his venture will be different to many other sporting pursuits wealthy people have lost money on over the years: "No-one has tried this year in rugby before. And I haven't done it before. This is anything but a charade. It will be fresh and exciting."​
But why rugby?​
"This is about addressing rank unfairness. And that is what has driven me across a range of areas, like the energy sector and the real entrepreneurialism of how we approach philanthropy and helping to fight unfairness in all its forms, be it slavery or early childhood development.​
"It is patently obvious to most people in the rugby community now that the selection process [between the Force and Rebels] was a charade. So this is about helping address that unfairness."​
There are already more than 10,000 tickets sold for the Force's match on Friday evening at nib Stadium in Perth, and Forrest points out sales usually pick up considerably as a game looms. The Force will then play home games against other international sides from Tonga, Samoa and Hong Kong and Super Rugby sides Crusaders from New Zealand and Rebels. A final game is expected to be against a Japanese side.​
Forrest says there will be upfront costs for the Force matches this year, but given the strong ticket sales and support across the state – the team has launched advertisements led by local identities such as Kim Beazley, cricketer Justin Langer and ex-AFL footballer Matthew Pavlich.​
Next year and 2020 comes expanding the venture into a fully fledged competition across the Indo-Pacific, run by a team of administrators recruited by Forrest.​
"We think there is a gap for a major international competition. Places like Singapore, Korea and Hong Kong are growing quickly [in rugby terms]. Indonesia, India and Sri Lanka are all places that have shown considerable interest in being included as well. We've spoken to their respective rugby bodies but also private entrepreneurs that may want to be involved at an ownership level as well."​
Can it work? Can Forrest really transform a sport that his now, at best, the fifth most popular sport in Australia, to one that leads a push into Asian countries that have never shown a big regard to rugby?​
The famous Forrest confidence comes to the fore. "This is for the long term. Everyone I do, be it food, energy and other things. They are all long-term efforts. World Series Rugby will be as well."​
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Well after just hearing Penrith EMU's been axed from Super Rugby I am in no mood to try and defend RA..all their bullshit rhetoric about the importance of Western Sydney as a Rugby market..seriously what a load of frigging crock. I so despise RA for what they have done to our game...

What?!

But the Emu’s have yet to play a game of Super Rugby.......... faaark you Clone!
 

Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
Yep lets gloss over the fact RA talks about in their blueprint of the importance of growing rugby in Western Sydney. And remind me what they have done in working with NSWRU to ensure their is strong healthy clubs like Parramatta and Penrith.

Oh of course it is not their fault it is NSWRU....oh but NSWRU say it is RA's fault. Oh that is right the fractured rugby approach where it is everyone else's fault. Just so over lack of accountability in our game. RA and NSWRU are both to blame for this fiasco but the blame starts at the top....and so sick of dodge and diversion of our games administrators.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Yep lets gloss over the fact RA talks about in their blueprint of the importance of growing rugby in Western Sydney. And remind me what they have done in working with NSWRU to ensure their is strong healthy clubs like Parramatta and Penrith.

Oh of course it is not their fault it is NSWRU..oh but NSWRU say it is RA's fault. Oh that is right the fractured rugby approach where it is everyone else's fault. Just so over lack of accountability in our game. RA and NSWRU are both to blame for this fiasco but the blame starts at the top..and so sick of dodge and diversion of our games administrators.


Herein lies a big problem with the structure of rugby in Australia. RA are relatively powerless to influence a decision made by the Sydney Rugby Union (themselves a sub-union of the NSWRU). It would be entirely better for rugby in Australia to have the governance model flattened so that much of the grassroots game isn't controlled by RA.

There has also been significant issues with Penrith as a club over the years.

Parramatta meanwhile has improved as a club greatly through the people involved. They are in a far stronger position and far more competitive than they used to be.
 

hoggy

Trevor Allan (34)
You have to think that conditions are changing. This new twiggy comp, everyone thought was a bit of a side lark. But after what has gone on with the game over the last year, maybe his timing is perfect.

The anger and resentment toward the RA is palpable, it is now getting to a point when the whole thing is starting to collapse, it is highly possible that this alternative competition may all of a sudden be an option come 2020.
 

ForceFan

Chilla Wilson (44)
Pleased with the changes to the rules for World Series Rugby:

THE CHANGES

1. The Power Try– A Power Try is awarded when the play is initiated from within the try scoring team’s own 22m area and there is no break in continuity of possession by the scoring team.
However if possession changes or a penalty is awarded, then this breaks the sequence of possession for the try scoring team and normal 5 point try is earned if they score.
Coloured lights on the goal posts will alert fans to when a Power Try is “live”, “dead” or “scored”.
The Power Try play is live: green lights will run down the post
The Power Try play is dead: the green lights turn solid red
A Power Try is scored: the green lights will flash.
A Power Try offers a team the opportunity to score 9 points on conversion.
2. Rolling Subs – teams may make up to 12 player substitutions during the game, as opposed to the current 8 substitutions.
3. One-minute scrums – One minute from time of mark to completion. This puts the onus on players to keep the scrum up and encourages quick decision making to allow play to continue.
4. Faster Line Outs – lineouts will be taken as soon as the throwing team is ready – they do not have to wait for their opponent or the referee.

https://www.westernforce.com.au/world-series-rugby-confirms-revolutionary-on-field-changes/
 

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
Pleased with the changes to the rules for World Series Rugby:

THE CHANGES

1. The Power Try– A Power Try is awarded when the play is initiated from within the try scoring team’s own 22m area and there is no break in continuity of possession by the scoring team.
However if possession changes or a penalty is awarded, then this breaks the sequence of possession for the try scoring team and normal 5 point try is earned if they score.
Coloured lights on the goal posts will alert fans to when a Power Try is “live”, “dead” or “scored”.
The Power Try play is live: green lights will run down the post
The Power Try play is dead: the green lights turn solid red
A Power Try is scored: the green lights will flash.
A Power Try offers a team the opportunity to score 9 points on conversion.
2. Rolling Subs – teams may make up to 12 player substitutions during the game, as opposed to the current 8 substitutions.
3. One-minute scrums – One minute from time of mark to completion. This puts the onus on players to keep the scrum up and encourages quick decision making to allow play to continue.
4. Faster Line Outs – lineouts will be taken as soon as the throwing team is ready – they do not have to wait for their opponent or the referee.

https://www.westernforce.com.au/world-series-rugby-confirms-revolutionary-on-field-changes/

Don't mind those at all. Like the intent to speed up the set pieces. The power try idea isn't too bad and not likely to feature all that mich I suspect.

What I'd like to see is the use of technology around things like the advantage law. Graphics to map out a unified advantage for a knock on oe forward pass. Say a geaphic that highlights a line 10 metres ahead with a 15 second shot clock. For penalties say 25m and 30 seconds. If teams don't reach those marks in the allotted time the TMO can tell the ref that it has lapsed and then the penalty can be awarded.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
Staff member
Pleased with the changes to the rules for World Series Rugby:

THE CHANGES

1. The Power Try– A Power Try is awarded when the play is initiated from within the try scoring team’s own 22m area and there is no break in continuity of possession by the scoring team.
However if possession changes or a penalty is awarded, then this breaks the sequence of possession for the try scoring team and normal 5 point try is earned if they score.
Coloured lights on the goal posts will alert fans to when a Power Try is “live”, “dead” or “scored”.
The Power Try play is live: green lights will run down the post
The Power Try play is dead: the green lights turn solid red
A Power Try is scored: the green lights will flash.
A Power Try offers a team the opportunity to score 9 points on conversion.
2. Rolling Subs – teams may make up to 12 player substitutions during the game, as opposed to the current 8 substitutions.
3. One-minute scrums – One minute from time of mark to completion. This puts the onus on players to keep the scrum up and encourages quick decision making to allow play to continue.
4. Faster Line Outs – lineouts will be taken as soon as the throwing team is ready – they do not have to wait for their opponent or the referee.

https://www.westernforce.com.au/world-series-rugby-confirms-revolutionary-on-field-changes/

Interesting changes. I like 'em. I really like the lineout one.
I'm a bit of a cynic, though, and I reckon the scrum one will be an issue. I think refs will get close to the 1 min mark and feel compelled to do "something" and we'll see free kicks called, with the inevitable "opt for another scrum" option being exercised more often than not and we end up with, whaddayaknow, another scrum. Either that or slightly spurious penalties being awarded. I very much like the intent, though.
 

zer0

Jim Lenehan (48)
"Power Try". Flashing light posts. Jesus Christ. Sounds like something straight from the gaudy awfulness of the IPL. Plus more League-lite rules. No thanks. Will definitely be skipping.
 

The Honey Badger

Jim Lenehan (48)
Pleased with the changes to the rules for World Series Rugby:

THE CHANGES

1. The Power Try– A Power Try is awarded when the play is initiated from within the try scoring team’s own 22m area and there is no break in continuity of possession by the scoring team.
However if possession changes or a penalty is awarded, then this breaks the sequence of possession for the try scoring team and normal 5 point try is earned if they score.
Coloured lights on the goal posts will alert fans to when a Power Try is “live”, “dead” or “scored”.
The Power Try play is live: green lights will run down the post
The Power Try play is dead: the green lights turn solid red
A Power Try is scored: the green lights will flash.
A Power Try offers a team the opportunity to score 9 points on conversion.
2. Rolling Subs – teams may make up to 12 player substitutions during the game, as opposed to the current 8 substitutions.
3. One-minute scrums – One minute from time of mark to completion. This puts the onus on players to keep the scrum up and encourages quick decision making to allow play to continue.
4. Faster Line Outs – lineouts will be taken as soon as the throwing team is ready – they do not have to wait for their opponent or the referee.

https://www.westernforce.com.au/world-series-rugby-confirms-revolutionary-on-field-changes/
Sounds good, great initiative

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The Honey Badger

Jim Lenehan (48)
"Power Try". Flashing light posts. Jesus Christ. Sounds like something straight from the gaudy awfulness of the IPL. Plus more League-lite rules. No thanks. Will definitely be skipping.
Do you actually know Rugby is an evolving game.?

Very different game today, to the game I played 30 years ago.

And that game was different to the game my father played, and very different to the game his father played.

FFS it's origins were soccer.

It's going to keep evolving.

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