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Greg Davis (50)
It is because under the CAS rules, schools may have "the word that shall not be mentioned" players arrive.
It is perfectly allowable under their sports charter and that is all I will say.
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It is perfectly allowable under their sports charter and that is all I will say.
Joker
Greg Davis (50)
Eyes and Ears...wanna get involved in the AAGPS tipping competition?
Just message me your tips for these four games.
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Allen Oxlade (6)
Got the results yesterday night. A tackle like mine is meant to be 4 matches but since I'm usually a good player they applied the max deductions to bring it down to 2 matches. I imagine if I tried to fight it I would have the offer be withdrawn so I decided to take the offer and serve both matches through club instead of one through club and one through school.
Big Papi
Herbert Moran (7)
Sounds like you got off pretty well SRAS, I know that the Old Iggies subbies team had a brawl last year against Briars and the punishments were 4 weeks (no priors), 6 weeks (no priors) and 2 lots of 8 weeks (unsure about priors). Judiciary seemed to be cracking down on dangerous tackles and fighting but I'm glad you wont be spending too much time watching from the sidelines.
BP
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Ron Walden (29)
Originally posted on the Newington Rugby facebook page.
(With the added workload I hope injuries don't play a part in Newington's 1st XV chances this season)....
Congratulations to 10 of our boys selected for the final trial! (Combined Independent Schools Under 18 R L).
Also congratulations to Siteni Taukamo for his selection in the NSW U18s City team!
(With the added workload I hope injuries don't play a part in Newington's 1st XV chances this season)....
Congratulations to 10 of our boys selected for the final trial! (Combined Independent Schools Under 18 R L).
Also congratulations to Siteni Taukamo for his selection in the NSW U18s City team!
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Hi All
Looking at Rugby League CIS U18's Squad, Congrats to the boys that have made it.
No View, Joeys or Shore boys. Schools that traditionally encourage ( if that's the word ) playing of Union. I think that's a major reason why Joeys is so successful. View and Shore aren't far behind and feed a lot of clubs with players. Scots are ok but Kings and New need to do better at encouraging their junior boys to play club rugby.
Having played league, some skills are great for union esp: tackling and running into gaps. However they are different games and forwards esp need a union base ( scrums/lineouts/breakdowns). Few can do both well.
It is good and sad to see 10 New boys in squad. Talented individuals who form the base of the 1/2 XV and will bring their skills to union. Sad cause some ( hopefully not most ) may be lost to league. They see the success of recent past New boys ( Cam Murray, Taane Milne, Tepai Morea etc ) and can't blame them from trying to copy this pathway.
Boys will choose their preferred sport and union has to promote it's sport better. Whether it is the game, pathway, money or opportunity, it is a competition for players ( afl,football,union, league) and may the best one survive and thrive.
Agree with Rudderless about workload but hasn't club league for these boys finished ? They are at the trial stage now. Hopefully no injuries.
New back next week
Wyvernboy
Looking at Rugby League CIS U18's Squad, Congrats to the boys that have made it.
No View, Joeys or Shore boys. Schools that traditionally encourage ( if that's the word ) playing of Union. I think that's a major reason why Joeys is so successful. View and Shore aren't far behind and feed a lot of clubs with players. Scots are ok but Kings and New need to do better at encouraging their junior boys to play club rugby.
Having played league, some skills are great for union esp: tackling and running into gaps. However they are different games and forwards esp need a union base ( scrums/lineouts/breakdowns). Few can do both well.
It is good and sad to see 10 New boys in squad. Talented individuals who form the base of the 1/2 XV and will bring their skills to union. Sad cause some ( hopefully not most ) may be lost to league. They see the success of recent past New boys ( Cam Murray, Taane Milne, Tepai Morea etc ) and can't blame them from trying to copy this pathway.
Boys will choose their preferred sport and union has to promote it's sport better. Whether it is the game, pathway, money or opportunity, it is a competition for players ( afl,football,union, league) and may the best one survive and thrive.
Agree with Rudderless about workload but hasn't club league for these boys finished ? They are at the trial stage now. Hopefully no injuries.
New back next week
Wyvernboy
dingleberry458
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i disagree, rugby union has had its time and place, its a dying sport. we all know rugby league is the future....
Grimey
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Internationally it's not dying and way bigger. You can earn good money and travel the world playing in France, Japan, England etc.
If you don't play in the NRL , you'll be stuck playing the game in West Sydney, Towoomba, Dubbo.
Joker
Greg Davis (50)
Worst tackle ever (warning kids....this used to happen in the bad old days)
The old saying went like this, "Play rugby union, see the World, play rugby league see Woolongong."
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Larry Dwyer (12)
Agree to a degree WV but I know most of these boys have played both codes since they were younger or get involved in Rugby because they go to a rugby school (by choice or inducement). Works for most because the junior rep side of League (Harold Matts, SG Ball) finishes either before the schoolboy trials (if they don't make finals) or during the trials if they do. They all come back to their school teams fit and ready to rip in after spending the last 5 months training and playing.
The biggest question is, are the schools (old boys) more interested in a First 15 title or the growth of Rugby Union? I believe the title means more to them. After that if the Waratahs or Wallabies go well then that's a bonus to them.
Unfortunately the numbers pulled up for rugby are few and the opportunity for a small league contract are many due to the number of Sydney based teams in the NRL. If you're not in the Tahs system in NSW you are nowhere.
Hi Joker
I agree but why is it not resonating with our young players ? It is a fairly "elitist" saying however union doesn't seem to promote it enough ? Union is played more and at a more competeitive level internationally, broader opportunities ( 7,s, Olympics (m/f), bigger world cup, ) and more corporate money at the top end, however struggles to capture and KEEP the hearts and minds of young players.
At club level ( juniors, shute shield ) in some areas it thrives and is well supported but it is mainly voluntary and not sustainable in the long run. Good coaching at junior level is essential for players and parents. If the player gains knowledge and enjoyment from the game and the parent sees this, they are more willing to return. Also, 'rep' selection teams at ages 12-14 and even 16, should be very loosely picked. What I mean by this is that it should not be as competitive. Players body shapes,fitness and a lot of other things can/do change greatly from 10/12 to 16. If a player is "not selected "for rep teams at 12/14 then they may decide to give up the sport. Now, this an attitude thing for the player/parent to overcome however if not explained correctly ( your too small, or not good enough ) then it may be and probably is all over.
This can't be just a "private" school thing. As mentioned before, the Ella brothers etc from LaPa etc, played. The rego for juniors is much higher than League ( and I think afl ? Not soccer ) which may be a hurdle. ( Socio-Economic ). Promotion of the sport in ALL schools ( not just private/elect) is a must. That is a ARU/StateRU area.
Education/Promotion of the oppoortunities offered by playing Rugby is a must to young players at the u/14-18 age group. I don't know if this is done, but if it is, it needs to be better as the case above shows.
Pathways need to be better understood by players and parents. Just because the player goes to a "private" school, does not mean they'll come out an academic. Union should try to help them with life after school ( ie; higher edu, trade etc ). League does this very well. This is esp enticing for parents.
Admin needs to be smart/business. I don't know who runs a lot of the Union clubs but explayers don't always make great administrators ( and not I'm not insinuating a lack of intelligence ). Nick Politis is a successful business man and CEO. He seems to know how to promote and poach young rugby players. Why can't there be someone similar in RU ? Why can't Randwick, Gordon, Waratahs, Brumbies, Wallabies have people like this ? I know there have been some in the past, but lately there seems to be a lack of personel. These are the type of people RU need to attract and run the clubs. Please give your thoughts/correct me if I'm wrong.
Wyverboy
I agree but why is it not resonating with our young players ? It is a fairly "elitist" saying however union doesn't seem to promote it enough ? Union is played more and at a more competeitive level internationally, broader opportunities ( 7,s, Olympics (m/f), bigger world cup, ) and more corporate money at the top end, however struggles to capture and KEEP the hearts and minds of young players.
At club level ( juniors, shute shield ) in some areas it thrives and is well supported but it is mainly voluntary and not sustainable in the long run. Good coaching at junior level is essential for players and parents. If the player gains knowledge and enjoyment from the game and the parent sees this, they are more willing to return. Also, 'rep' selection teams at ages 12-14 and even 16, should be very loosely picked. What I mean by this is that it should not be as competitive. Players body shapes,fitness and a lot of other things can/do change greatly from 10/12 to 16. If a player is "not selected "for rep teams at 12/14 then they may decide to give up the sport. Now, this an attitude thing for the player/parent to overcome however if not explained correctly ( your too small, or not good enough ) then it may be and probably is all over.
This can't be just a "private" school thing. As mentioned before, the Ella brothers etc from LaPa etc, played. The rego for juniors is much higher than League ( and I think afl ? Not soccer ) which may be a hurdle. ( Socio-Economic ). Promotion of the sport in ALL schools ( not just private/elect) is a must. That is a ARU/StateRU area.
Education/Promotion of the oppoortunities offered by playing Rugby is a must to young players at the u/14-18 age group. I don't know if this is done, but if it is, it needs to be better as the case above shows.
Pathways need to be better understood by players and parents. Just because the player goes to a "private" school, does not mean they'll come out an academic. Union should try to help them with life after school ( ie; higher edu, trade etc ). League does this very well. This is esp enticing for parents.
Admin needs to be smart/business. I don't know who runs a lot of the Union clubs but explayers don't always make great administrators ( and not I'm not insinuating a lack of intelligence ). Nick Politis is a successful business man and CEO. He seems to know how to promote and poach young rugby players. Why can't there be someone similar in RU ? Why can't Randwick, Gordon, Waratahs, Brumbies, Wallabies have people like this ? I know there have been some in the past, but lately there seems to be a lack of personel. These are the type of people RU need to attract and run the clubs. Please give your thoughts/correct me if I'm wrong.
Wyverboy
Joker
Greg Davis (50)
Here is the rub.
AFL will win the battle. Why? They have the most money which is thrown at grassroots and have a massive machine behind them. This then allowed them to create the AFL kickstart program that saw school welcome coaches to the school to run clinics while the majority of female teachers sat around and watched. There was no need for them to do anything and so for a few weeks the kids were being indoctrinated with AFL and all their contact details collected. Next thing we see these families being contacted by the junior AFL clubs to woo players along. Mum would turn to their son/daughter and say, "do you want to play AFL? They will give you a uniform, coaches and ball"
Of course they say yes.
They have an incredible strike rate. My local team is the Drummoyne Power and they have gone from small to massive in 8 years. Mums are being told as well the game is safer which does not align with the emergency records which say more kids are injured playing AFL.
The reason rugby will lose is clear...AFL invest more more in school programs. The ARU is broke. They must invest any profits from the 2027 RWC into grassroots programs. If they don't then all will be lost.
Finally, culturally rugby has been viewed by the masses as the game for the elite of society. It was only a game played by rich white schools and clubs on the north shore of Sydney (do a search on clubs and you will see where the dominate rugby heartland is). League is west, south and south west Sydney with some inner city/east. It traditionally has been the working class game and rugby was viewed as those snobs. League has a powerful machine behind it as well. They may whether the coming AFL storm.
Rugby needs to change its focus from spending money on the Old God, Fruit & Nut Wallabies and spend it more in the schools and junior clubs who get by on sausage sizzles and raffles.
Joker
You are spot on. The tree grows healthy beacuse of it's roots.
The next 5-10 years are crucial. The next WC is important for advertising and money.
Whatever the RU gets must re invest in junior rugby. Hopefully the Wallabies can go far in the WC. If not, I'm afraid they'll be a lot of hair spray and fake tan around ( and tight shorts and singlets ).
Wyvernboy
You are spot on. The tree grows healthy beacuse of it's roots.
The next 5-10 years are crucial. The next WC is important for advertising and money.
Whatever the RU gets must re invest in junior rugby. Hopefully the Wallabies can go far in the WC. If not, I'm afraid they'll be a lot of hair spray and fake tan around ( and tight shorts and singlets ).
Wyvernboy
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Darby Loudon (17)
J and W, great summation of the current Rugby position, and the other codes. Like all prosperous businesses, it all starts at the top, and until the ARU realizes where to prioritize it's fund spending, ie from grass roots up, we will get what we have got for the last 15+ years, and it will keep degrading. I am sure you know well the old saying, if you keep doing the same thing over and over ........
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Herbert Moran (7)
I think it's even more simple than grassroots and money, the game at a professional level in Australia (this is only an opinion) is boring. The sport has become so technical and there are so many rules that even long time fans find themselves not knowing what a penalty is for.
For an example, scrummaging. When I watch a game of super rugby and even the wallabies, there is almost 10 minutes per game taken up by resetting scrums for stuff that to spectators is almost impossible to see, and as a fan since a very very young age, I still have no idea what many scrum penalties are for. I think the only people that find scrums enjoyable to watch are former tight five players, and while I completely respect how good the front row etc. are in their field, it it just so unenjoyable to watch a scrum being reset for the 3rd and 4th time.
I can already see the replies to this post going something along the lines of "it's not dying anywhere but Australia" and I honestly believe that it's because rugby league hasn't spread globally yet. Rugby league has less technical rules and is much easier to grasp for a first time viewer, it is also faster and (I know this is sac-religious on this forum) honestly more entertaining at the highest level.
This also is not to say that rugby union across the globe is boring, because like everyone on this forum I love schoolboy rugby, I also enjoy shute shield (I know it's professional but I just have a thing for park footy), but I haven't enjoyed a super rugby game in years and the wallabies no longer excite me.
I wish I had answers for everything I've just said but I don't.
BP
Edit: I would also like to add that I believe the reason that schoolboy and shute shield footy is still watchable is because it isn't AS technical and thus it flows more.
For an example, scrummaging. When I watch a game of super rugby and even the wallabies, there is almost 10 minutes per game taken up by resetting scrums for stuff that to spectators is almost impossible to see, and as a fan since a very very young age, I still have no idea what many scrum penalties are for. I think the only people that find scrums enjoyable to watch are former tight five players, and while I completely respect how good the front row etc. are in their field, it it just so unenjoyable to watch a scrum being reset for the 3rd and 4th time.
I can already see the replies to this post going something along the lines of "it's not dying anywhere but Australia" and I honestly believe that it's because rugby league hasn't spread globally yet. Rugby league has less technical rules and is much easier to grasp for a first time viewer, it is also faster and (I know this is sac-religious on this forum) honestly more entertaining at the highest level.
This also is not to say that rugby union across the globe is boring, because like everyone on this forum I love schoolboy rugby, I also enjoy shute shield (I know it's professional but I just have a thing for park footy), but I haven't enjoyed a super rugby game in years and the wallabies no longer excite me.
I wish I had answers for everything I've just said but I don't.
BP
Edit: I would also like to add that I believe the reason that schoolboy and shute shield footy is still watchable is because it isn't AS technical and thus it flows more.
Joker
Greg Davis (50)
Schoolboys rugby is the last bastion of free flowing rugby played in the right spirit. I love to see the teams clapping each other off after the game, shaking hands and crowds being quiet for a conversion attempt. Even those wild wolves at View know how be quiet when a Joeys boy takes a kick to win the match.
Big Papi
I've always said that a good game of Rugby is better than a good game of league but they are few and far between were as there arn't too many bad/boring league games. The technical part of the game for those that aren't in the know, can be a turn off.
Rugby has a contest for the ball. At Scrum ( contested), Lineout and breakdown/maul, there is an opportunity for the opposition to get the ball back if not protected which causes unpedicatbilty for the spectator. This is a major ( and in my opinion positive ) difference compared to league.
In league, the attack can hold the ball for 5 tackles and then it is a turnover. Unless they make a mistake or choose to give it away ( kick it ) ( I know they have the one/one strip but seriously that doesn't happen often ), the opposition has no chance of getting the ball. This can be very boring if both sides don't make a handling error and they go back and forth.
Scrum is a major issue. Maybe uncontested is a way of the future. Speed it up. Let the breakdown be a contest. Have lineouts and reward attacking kicks. The Northern hemisphere nations may not like it but ....
Test Cricket was considered boring and they adapted to one day and 20/20. This generation has the attention span of a goldfish. They love quick and exciting contests. Maybe that is something that RU needs to consider. Sevens is a start.
Wyvernboy
I've always said that a good game of Rugby is better than a good game of league but they are few and far between were as there arn't too many bad/boring league games. The technical part of the game for those that aren't in the know, can be a turn off.
Rugby has a contest for the ball. At Scrum ( contested), Lineout and breakdown/maul, there is an opportunity for the opposition to get the ball back if not protected which causes unpedicatbilty for the spectator. This is a major ( and in my opinion positive ) difference compared to league.
In league, the attack can hold the ball for 5 tackles and then it is a turnover. Unless they make a mistake or choose to give it away ( kick it ) ( I know they have the one/one strip but seriously that doesn't happen often ), the opposition has no chance of getting the ball. This can be very boring if both sides don't make a handling error and they go back and forth.
Scrum is a major issue. Maybe uncontested is a way of the future. Speed it up. Let the breakdown be a contest. Have lineouts and reward attacking kicks. The Northern hemisphere nations may not like it but ....
Test Cricket was considered boring and they adapted to one day and 20/20. This generation has the attention span of a goldfish. They love quick and exciting contests. Maybe that is something that RU needs to consider. Sevens is a start.
Wyvernboy
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Ward Prentice (10)
The ARU has been broke and dysfunctional the last five years. There are only 5 Super Rugby Franchises that can sign players leaving school. There are 17 NRL clubs now that can scout the best talent and sign them. A number of these kids will continue to play both League and Union at school because they aspire to be a professional football player. They have a far better chance of doing this in League than in Union just due to positions available.
Certainly the creme of the crop can make more money in Union over their career with the international opportunities but for a school leaver he is thinking about the now and if someone is going to put an $80k contract in front of them as a start in NRL system they will take it.
We all know that NRL clubs sign players early and assist with education of certain boys and why wouldn't a family take that opportunity. They are playing Union for the time they are at that school but League is their priority.
Certainly the creme of the crop can make more money in Union over their career with the international opportunities but for a school leaver he is thinking about the now and if someone is going to put an $80k contract in front of them as a start in NRL system they will take it.
We all know that NRL clubs sign players early and assist with education of certain boys and why wouldn't a family take that opportunity. They are playing Union for the time they are at that school but League is their priority.
Greenwhiteblack
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Uncontested scrums...... that will do me. If we take away the contest at the scrum we are no longer a game for everyone. Perhaps a better alternative is that if the scrum does go down there is no reset it simply reverts to a free kick to the side who was feeding the ball (with no option to take a scrum) or a penalty against the offending team (no option to take a scrum)?
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