Wallaby Coach after Joe

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Good stats. I know some of the players will also feature for the Wallabies but it screams the players of McReight, Wilson, Uru and Canham with the short passing and low dominant carries.

One concern is the fact good sides are handling the this type of play now they know whats coming. Very effective v lesser sides who break after a few phases or don't handle a minor break down of defensive structures. Test sides aren't going to crumble.

 

[Strewthcobber]

How much of this is Kiss' prefered team tactics, and how much is Kiss adjusting things due to the players he has available, is of course the question....

(Eg are the short passes purely down to Tate, who makes 45%-50% of the Reds passes and doesn't have a reliable long pass?)

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

I'd love to know these sorts of things in his London Irish tenure as if it was similar then I'll expect it but, he's a smart guy and working with the players skills in the squad. Reds also hit up at 12 more often than not.

 

[Major Tom]

Good stats. I know some of the players will also feature for the Wallabies but it screams the players of McReight, Wilson, Uru and Canham with the short passing and low dominant carries.

One concern is the fact good sides are handling the this type of play now they know whats coming. Very effective v lesser sides who break after a few phases or don't handle a minor break down of defensive structures. Test sides aren't going to crumble.

Yeah, teams can always find a way to combat this. Some of this is the nature of the close Super Rugby comp though. Kiss does talk about 'different ways to skin a cat' so I'm optimistic he'd be able to get them to play different ways. I like the tackle efficiency stat and the fact that we can score tries without going wide like crazy is a good thing.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Yep those defensive ones can translate as it shows a system and the buy in from players. Defence is attitude.

He's been around footy too long to not be able to adapt to the players he has. As I said, some will translate over as the Reds key players will also be in Gold but your Bobby Vs and Bell are focal points in the Test side.

 

[Ignoto]

The Reds go wide through Lynagh wrapping around and having double touches in a play.

I've got no idea if it's more effective but keeping Lynagh active in the movement means an extra body for the defence to worry about rather than jockeying and pushing the attack to the side line.

 

[wamberal99]

If the Reds had attacked all game as well as they did in the last couple of minutes they would have won by 50.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

The Reds go wide through Lynagh wrapping around and having double touches in a play.

I've got no idea if it's more effective but keeping Lynagh active in the movement means an extra body for the defence to worry about rather than jockeying and pushing the attack to the side line.

Good point. Besides the obvious attempt to create an extra man in attack it sets up the quick phase play on the next run.

Just shows besides stats like completed tackle % it's really hard to take too much from it.

 

[Strewthcobber]

The Reds go wide through Lynagh wrapping around and having double touches in a play.

I've got no idea if it's more effective but keeping Lynagh active in the movement means an extra body for the defence to worry about rather than jockeying and pushing the attack to the side line.

I'm not disagreeing, but Lynagh doesn't really end up with more touches or passes than any of the other 10s in the comp - he's below Noah, BDonaldson, Creighton, Edmed and HMP as examples in both touches and passes per minute

They just don't go past the second pass very often - The Reds are second lowest for plays wider than 2nd receiver in Super Rugby (7.4%)

 

[Ignoto]

I'm not disagreeing, but Lynagh doesn't really end up with more touches than any of the other 10s in the comp - he's below Noah, BDonaldson, Creighton, Edmed and HMP as examples in touches per minute

Is that just overall stats which could be explained by other teams playing more through their 10 rather than the Reds who have being a forward orientated game?

If so, that stat wouldn't show, that when the Reds do attack and go wide its not via cut out or the hands and is via the wrap, unless I'm mistaken?

 

[Strewthcobber]

Is that just overall stats which could be explained by other teams playing more through their 10 rather than the Reds who have being a forward orientated game?

If so, that stat wouldn't show, that when the Reds do attack and go wide its not via cut out or the hands and is via the wrap, unless I'm mistaken?

I think it just means they just dont go wide very often through the backline

Their attack is orientated towards forwards offloading, snipes from Tate, and driving mauls off penalty lineouts.

Lynagh's role is to facilitate this, not open up teams with his attack.

 

[Derpus]

Optasports have some great stats on "Team Movement" for all club teams in World Rugby which may give us some clues as to how Kiss will have the Wallabies playing when he takes over

The Reds
* Have the fewest "long passes" of any team in World Rugby - just 2.4%, and as a result, the most "short" and "medium" passes
* Go "wide" less than any other club team in World Rugby - just 4% of the time

* The second most maul tries per game (0.73) and the most metres per maul
* Very low % of dominant carries (31.6%) but the highest % successful offloads that ended in a linebreak or try
* By far the most tackle % above the hips (84.5%), and the highest tackle success % in World Rugby (90%)

So the Reds have... become the Brumbies?

 

[Strewthcobber]

So the Reds have... become the Brumbies?

The team that scores the most maul tries in world rugby is......the Western Force.

#weareallbrumbies