School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[Joker]

I think all of this is very salient. The NRL scholarship kids does bother me. Kids (via their NRL club paymaster) opting out of games is detrimental to the individual school they represent and in the long run there is little reward for Oz rugby. Not that the GPS schools need to be satiating Oz rugby - their job isn't to develop for Oz rugby unless RA comes knocking with $$ for scholarships of their own.

However, for the NRL scholarships and the individual player, there should be a written agreement or written into the terms of their scholarship that they must play unless ruled out injured by the college doctor or some such (definitely no the NRL club doc). Ultimately if you wish to benefit from the first-class S&C program etc, then you need to play and represent the college. Not just when it suits.

Kings folded to Souths for the last year of Joseph suulali

 

[RandwickDon]

Reminder from someone who worked within the AAGPS system, sporting scholarships are not a thing. AAGPS schools use other forms of inducements to get students in. (Old Boy Unions TKS, Rugby Bursary Fund TSC and Tongan Advancement Organisation NC). Plus there are many schools who now use Leagues Clubs to park players (Newington, Kings) and those who use "boosters" were current or older parents pay fees. (Scots have been doing this for over a decade in many sports, basketball worse offender)

Joeys have a "Boys from the Bush" Bursary but these are decided over time and not quickly. The hard part is getting the mums to agree to let their lads go. Contrary to some, the Joeys Old Boys Union only provides hardship funding for current students. Normally these are for families on the land who have sons in the senior years. Indigenous scholarships are only given in year 7 and for actual indigenous students.

I'm a TSC old boy and semi regularly donate the school (although not any large amounts) and I've never heard of, are been asked to donate to any booster funds for students.

There's one fund for the students of old boys, but it's not tax deductible so struggles to fund raise much at all.

 

[Joker]

I'm a TSC old boy and semi regularly donate the school (although not any large amounts) and I've never heard of, are been asked to donate to any booster funds for students.

There's one fund for the students of old boys, but it's not tax deductible so struggles to fund raise much at all. t

As someone who worked deep with the back rooms at Scots I can tell you the rugby support group would raise between $200-300K a year.
Most of this was from sponsorship. You can't spend $200K just on rugby balls. Funny how this also worked with basketball.

 

[scrumbledore]

As someone who worked deep with the back rooms at Scots I can tell you the rugby support group would raise between $200-300K a year.
Most of this was from sponsorship. You can't spend $200K just on rugby balls. Funny how this also worked with basketball.

Do any of the coaches ever pocket some money

 

[HowIMetYourScrummer1971]

As someone who worked deep with the back rooms at Scots I can tell you the rugby support group would raise between $200-300K a year.
Most of this was from sponsorship. You can't spend $200K just on rugby balls. Funny how this also worked with basketball.

I've always been interested in how they'd manage scholarships at some top schools. How long did you do this for and does the school ever mistakenly pick up some dud players? F.S.A!

 

[scrumhalf]

Yeah, same, I always assumed the school would lose money but could afford it due to the large school fees, and thought it was worth it in pursuit of sporting excellence.


P.S. Joker, do you know when the CAS forums are opening up again? Keen for a yarn.

 

[Joker]

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Yeah, same, I always assumed the school would lose money but could afford it due to the large school fees, and thought it was worth it in pursuit of sporting excellence.


P.S. Joker, do you know when the CAS forums are opening up again? Keen for a yarn.

Direct questions to @cyclopath
He has the ultimate say

 

[scrumhalf]

Ah I see

 

[RandwickDon]

As someone who worked deep with the back rooms at Scots I can tell you the rugby support group would raise between $200-300K a year.
Most of this was from sponsorship. You can't spend $200K just on rugby balls. Funny how this also worked with basketball.

Interesting.

I finished a couple of decades ago and they always kept it to one or two rugby scholarships a year.

I can remember when year 11s/12s would pick up an NRL contract, then do minimum school training and get dumped down to thirds. Now the NRL clubs encourages them do as much training at the schools as they can.

First I've heard about the rugby support group raising so much as well. I only have involvement with general Old Boys and Old Boys Pipe band groups

 

[Backintheolddays]

Kings folded to Souths for the last year of Joseph suulali

Last two years. Worst part of the whole exercise was he actually wanted to play. Great kid.

 

[GPS Observer]

If talented lads play in their various home towns and competitions against lads of average ability then their talents wont evolve as much as if they play against other talented lads in competitions where every week is a grand final. Im not saying that the private schools had that sort of vision when they offered rugby scholarships but still its the outcome and that benefits all those involved -the lads, the schools and the various levels of Rugby Australia . It may not suit the "purists" or the local administrators who lost a star player but the standard of rugby in Australia improves.

 

[NedKelly]

If talented lads play in their various home towns and competitions against lads of average ability then their talents wont evolve as much as if they play against other talented lads in competitions where every week is a grand final. Im not saying that the private schools had that sort of vision when they offered rugby scholarships but still its the outcome and that benefits all those involved -the lads, the schools and the various levels of Rugby Australia . It may not suit the "purists" or the local administrators who lost a star player but the standard of rugby in Australia improves.

The problem is not rugby scholarships so much as rugby league scholarships, which is effectively the case when NRL clubs park kids at GPS schools. These kids, most of whom will never play senior rugby are depriving others the chance to benefit from the highest standard of schools rugby. They are also compromising the integrity of the schools themselves.

 

[GPS Observer]

The league scholarships provide a group of lads to the private school rugby competitions who raise the standard of the games played. So all the lads benefit from that. And some of the league lads may move to Rugby later...thats a challenge for Rugby Australia to address but at least they have a pool of talented league lads that have been exposed to Rugby.

 

[NedKelly]

The league scholarships provide a group of lads to the private school rugby competitions who raise the standard of the games played. So all the lads benefit from that. And some of the league lads may move to Rugby later...thats a challenge for Rugby Australia to address but at least they have a pool of talented league lads that have been exposed to Rugby.

Do you know why NRL teams prefer to place kids in GPS schools rather than notable rugby league nurseries? It's because the standard is already much higher. Vastly better facilities, training & coaching.

It's debatable whether one or two NRL placements further significantly improve the standard of games played. You don't see these kids at Joeys, for example, who consistently set the highest standards not just in 1s & 2s but right through the age groups.

 

[GPS Observer]

In the past it was sometimes argued that gentilemen shouldnt compete against labourers or that amateurs shouldnt compete against professionals. There have always been logical reasons given to limit the competition. Today we welcome competition unrestricted, the game is the better for it.

 

[NedKelly]

In the past it was sometimes argued that gentilemen shouldnt compete against labourers or that amateurs shouldnt compete against professionals. There have always been logical reasons given to limit the competition. Today we welcome competition unrestricted, the game is the better for it.

This is perfectly irrelevant and has no bearing on the arguments at hand.

 

[wisemaan]

@MaulMasterMind Your Newington knowledge? From what you said on the AAGPS forum?

 

[twister29]

@MaulMasterMind Your Newington knowledge? From what you said on the AAGPS forum?

Agreed. @MaulMasterMind I am intrigued.

 

[MaulMasterMind]

@MaulMasterMind Your Newington knowledge? From what you said on the AAGPS forum?

Lets get this ball rolling.

1. Harry Davies Yr-7
2. Anakin Richardson Yr-10 (Scholarship/Bursary)
3. Villiami Akauola Yr-10 (Scholar)
4. Daniel Muir Yr-4
5. Kupu M Yr-11 (Scholar)
6. Nathan Perkins Yr-9 (Scholar/Bursary)
7. Ash Thomas Yr-7
8. Dylan Simmons Yr-9 (Scholar/Bursary)
9. Harry Whitaker Yr-7
10. Jarryd King Yr-7 (Scholar/Bursary)
11. Bailey R-L Yr-6 (Scholar/Bursary)
12. Keone A-T Yr-7 (Scholar/Bursary)
13. Braith Sloane Yr-11 (Scholar/Bursary)
14. Heamasi Makasini Yr-8 (Scholar/Bursary)
15. Callum Grantham Yr-7 (Scholar/Bursary)

I am usually not one to comment. Yet it is indicated to me by a lot of individuals on New's approach to rugby compared to your fellow GPS schools.

 

[twister29]

Lets get this ball rolling.

1. Harry Davies Yr-7
2. Anakin Richardson Yr-10 (Scholarship/Bursary)
3. Villiami Akauola Yr-10 (Scholar)
4. Daniel Muir Yr-4
5. Kupu M Yr-11 (Scholar)
6. Nathan Perkins Yr-9 (Scholar/Bursary)
7. Ash Thomas Yr-7
8. Dylan Simmons Yr-9 (Scholar/Bursary)
9. Harry Whitaker Yr-7
10. Jarryd King Yr-7 (Scholar/Bursary)
11. Bailey R-L Yr-6 (Scholar/Bursary)
12. Keone A-T Yr-7 (Scholar/Bursary)
13. Braith Sloane Yr-11 (Scholar/Bursary)
14. Heamasi Makasini Yr-8 (Scholar/Bursary)
15. Callum Grantham Yr-7 (Scholar/Bursary)

I am usually not one to comment. Yet it is indicated to me by a lot of individuals on New's approach to rugby compared to your fellow GPS schools.

Very interesting. Also because Newington is one of the more ethnic diverse teams.