Refereeing decisions

[The Ghost of Raelene]

I can admit it's clever and people give him the genius moniker but I couldn't hate it more in this instance. It's clever like your kids arguing the specifics of "turn the TV off" but then they grab an Ipad and say "you didn't say no Ipad".... Ref needs to have the gumption to acknowledge it, move on and send them on their way.

The last thing Rugby needs is a deliberate infringement that ends up slowing a game down. Regardless of playing to a perceived strength it's not in the spirit of the game of sportsmanship.

I would be fully in favour of this being an Unsportsmanlike penalty or ideally a free kick to keep play going.

 

[JRugby2]

Firstly I give rassie credit for coming up with these things but it is not a good look for the game, giving away deliberate infringements. Like most of these hopefully world rugby makes some quick changes to the laws before these become common. Otherwise where does the craziness end

No disrespect to you personally here - but you share the view of so many I've seen online that Rassie is some kind of rugby genius because he continually comes up with these types of illegal tactics and I'm sick of it. I'm not a genius because I've figured out I can get to work faster if I drive at double the speed limit.

First is a deliberate infringement of the law ( 7A player must not: a. Intentionally infringe any law of the game.) - Penalty.

Second is a flying wedge (9.22 Teams must not use the ‘flying wedge’ - Definition: An illegal type of attack, which usually happens near the try line, either from a penalty or free-kick or in open play. Team-mates pre-bind onto the ball-carrier in a wedge formation before engaging the opposition. Often one or more of these team-mates is in front of the ball-carrier.) - Penalty

No changes to the law are needed, both are illegal already and should be penalties as Strewth pointed out. We just needed a referee with some situational awareness to apply the existing laws of the game.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Watching live I thought the pass before the one Beaugan got carded for knocking down was forward. Seen a few replays now & am pretty sure (but not certain) that it was plus I've read that there's an overhead shot confirming it was.

Could/ should the TMO have checked?

 

[JRugby2]

Watching live I thought the pass before the one Beaugan got carded for knocking down was forward. Seen a few replays now & am pretty sure (but not certain) that it was plus I've read that there's an overhead shot confirming it was.

Could/ should the TMO have checked?

Could? Yes - as we saw last week with Tom Wrights pass being checked for about 3 hours.

Should? Maybe - completely up to the discretion of the TMO/ Referee. If nobody was sus when they watched it live, then there would be no reason to check it.

 

[Mr Pilfer]

No disrespect to you personally here - but you share the view of so many I've seen online that Rassie is some kind of rugby genius because he continually comes up with these types of illegal tactics and I'm sick of it. I'm not a genius because I've figured out I can get to work faster if I drive at double the speed limit.

First is a deliberate infringement of the law ( 7A player must not: a. Intentionally infringe any law of the game.) - Penalty.

Second is a flying wedge (9.22 Teams must not use the ‘flying wedge’ - Definition: An illegal type of attack, which usually happens near the try line, either from a penalty or free-kick or in open play. Team-mates pre-bind onto the ball-carrier in a wedge formation before engaging the opposition. Often one or more of these team-mates is in front of the ball-carrier.) - Penalty

No changes to the law are needed, both are illegal already and should be penalties as Strewth pointed out. We just needed a referee with some situational awareness to apply the existing laws of the game.

I certainly agree, if it is illegal as you say then they shouldn't get away with it. But I believe Rassie knew they would get away with it before he did it (i.e. they likely cleared it with the ref pre-game).

I guess my point is that it is nice to have a bit of innovation, the 7-1 split on the bench is another example. All the coaches we have all seem to be very pre-meditated, e.g. they know exactly when they are going to make their substitutions regardless of how the game is going.

 

[Tomthumb]

I certainly agree, if it is illegal as you say then they shouldn't get away with it. But I believe Rassie knew they would get away with it before he did it (i.e. they likely cleared it with the ref pre-game).

I guess my point is that it is nice to have a bit of innovation, the 7-1 split on the bench is another example. All the coaches we have all seem to be very pre-meditated, e.g. they know exactly when they are going to make their substitutions regardless of how the game is going.

Rassie does this as much as anyone in rugby, everything is scripted

The 7-1 split thing is great until they lose Pollard in the 1st minute and you have Faf De Klerk at 10 for 78 minutes

 

[John S]

I certainly agree, if it is illegal as you say then they shouldn't get away with it. But I believe Rassie knew they would get away with it before he did it (i.e. they likely cleared it with the ref pre-game).

I guess my point is that it is nice to have a bit of innovation, the 7-1 split on the bench is another example. All the coaches we have all seem to be very pre-meditated, e.g. they know exactly when they are going to make their substitutions regardless of how the game is going.

Hang on, how on earth can you "clear" illegal plays with the ref - what's the ref going to say "yeah, it's against the laws, but I'll let you try it anyway" my non-referee/coach brain is failing to comprehend.

 

[JRugby2]

Hang on, how on earth can you "clear" illegal plays with the ref - what's the ref going to say "yeah, it's against the laws, but I'll let you try it anyway" my non-referee/coach brain is failing to comprehend.

By having the good fortune of having a referee who doesn't understand the laws appointed to your games, or rather one without a backbone not willing to tell Rassie "no" - and getting a chance to run it by them beforehand.

Though I strongly doubt either have been cleared by anyone - more likely they are just imagining plays, running them in games and seeing what happens.