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Wallabies v Lions Game 2 MCG 26 July

wamberal99

Cyril Towers (30)
Honestly who the fuck loses from 23-5 up in the biggest game and series of their lives. Absolutely gutless fucking wonders the lot of them.

Bulldust. We lost one of our backs after 20 minutes. We lost the game on the back of what was, at the least, a controversial decision, not to mention the Loins try that involved a player doing a dive over tacklers.

I can only assume that you are a typical, gutless, armchair critic.
 

Strewthcobber

Michael Lynagh (62)
Why do you think those images show it's fine? You can see a frame later than that last image that the first impact is to the back of the head/top of the neck. If you watch it through, focusing on his face you see how much his neck gets folded.

I'm not able to embed this video unfortunately but you can see a slow motion one here: https://x.com/electricBAU/status/1949079551767900162
Because he's entered the challanges legally. He's not shoulder charging, arms are up, on his feet (at that point!).

From there Tizzano folds under impact because of his position.

We say we want consistency. I think that decision is consistent with how the entire game was managed.

I'd love for it to be a penalty, but don't think it's clear and obvious that it is
 

TSR

Steve Williams (59)
Said it last night, Fisher has to go. Schmidt, Cron are doing a great job. But the defensive system is just ridiculous, if a team has enough go forward they just walk through us because we are willingly going backwards. No modern team defends like we do.
I agree with you.

However I am also willing to play devils advocate here as Fisher is obviously a very experienced coach with a very good reputation in Australian rugby. So I think it’s worth trying to understand his staunch position.

Firstly while I know that the pattern gives up easy yards so it apparently cedes physical dominance - that is part of the point, right. Bend, but don’t break. My impression is that on our line we have been pretty good. Even last night both their first and last tries have contentious parts to them. Rush defence tends to give up more missed tackles. Is our defence system in of itself the issue or is it the bigger problem that both the first half of last week and the second half of this week that, in attack, we handed back too much ball too easily to the opposition so we had to defend far too much.

Also, I think the defence really relies on very good decision making by your outside backs. Unfortunately at the moment Sua’ali’i is getting lost and this also seems to be transferring a lot of pressure to Ikitau. Are we getting exposed because a couple of the players are getting their roles wrong?

Like I said, I actually agree with your criticism and, sadly, if Fisher isn’t prepared to adapt maybe he does need to go. But just trying to consider what the counter points are.
 

TSR

Steve Williams (59)
Because he's entered the challanges legally.
Yes, but I’d argue he ends up illegal. He pancakes on the ruck and doesn’t drive past it. Or even attempt to. He goes straight off his feet. This is certainly penalised. Not every time - but it is penalised.
From there Tizzano folds under impact because of his position.
I’d argue he folds under the pressure to his neck - which is illegal contact.

On both counts it’s a penalty for mine - but the ref and TMO agree with you and it’s their opinion that counts, sadly.
 

KOB1987

John Eales (66)
My read is that with the time Schmidt had to prepare for the series, and the number of Brumbies that were potentially going to be in the team, they took a 'better the devil you know' approach than try to adapt everyone to a new system. Fisher himself even said something like 'if you want a rush defence I'm not your guy'. I suspect we will see change sooner rather than later.
 
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Rebel man

John Thornett (49)
Yes, but I’d argue he ends up illegal. He pancakes on the ruck and doesn’t drive past it. Or even attempt to. He goes straight off his feet. This is certainly penalised. Not every time - but it is penalised.

I’d argue he folds under the pressure to his neck - which is illegal contact.

On both counts it’s a penalty for mine - but the ref and TMO agree with you and it’s their opinion that counts, sadly.
They should be losing their jobs. To say there is no foul play because despite shoulder contact to the head and neck he attempts to wrap his arms is ludicrous.
 

Sword of Justice

Dick Tooth (41)
What were Itoje's comments after the game?
In addition to Marbig's comment, he starts telling Wilson to go away when Wilson is trying to talk to the ref. Wilson was doing that to Itoje earlier in the game but when your team has just scored a match winner in the 79th minute with a kick to close out the clock it is different.
 

TSR

Steve Williams (59)
They should be losing their jobs. To say there is no foul play because despite shoulder contact to the head and neck he attempts to wrap his arms is ludicrous.
I’m not going that far. Officials make mistakes just like players. There were a couple of calls that arguably didn’t go our way but, in the whole, I thought the game was refereed well. I think the decision was wrong, but let’s cut them some slack.

We also can’t get caught up blaming the loss on something that happened in the 79th minute. There were at least 3-4 errors in the immediate lead up to that try that were within the Wallabies control.
 

Rebel man

John Thornett (49)
I’m not going that far. Officials make mistakes just like players. There were a couple of calls that arguably didn’t go our way but, in the whole, I thought the game was refereed well. I think the decision was wrong, but let’s cut them some slack.

We also can’t get caught up blaming the loss on something that happened in the 79th minute. There were at least 3-4 errors in the immediate lead up to that try that were within the Wallabies control.
To say shoulder the head contact isn’t foul play as there is an attempted wrap is completely wrong. A lot of decisions there is grey area but no where does it say attempting to wrap is mitigation for high contact, that is incompetence
 
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KOB1987

John Eales (66)
A fella put this up on socials. Green 23 is Bundee Aki in 2022. He got an 8 week suspension.
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TSR

Steve Williams (59)
Dunno why we're so fixated on the Tizzano incident, Sheehan jumping for the try is the biggest wtf than a 50/50 call in a ruck.

Both games the Lions have appeared to get the rub of the Refs.
Schmidt speaks to this in the presser. And raises a good point - if the player launches themselves like that and the defenders can’t hit them in the head, what are they supposed to do? It makes defending it virtually impossible. However he did also seem to concede what he did isn’t actually illegal because you can’t jump, but you can dive over a defender to score a try. It’ll be interesting if there is follow up.

Honestly for me the ones that annoyed my was watching Genge pull the scrum down time after time with his elbow pointed down, and hitting the ground first, and us getting penalised. That shit me.
 
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Rebel man

John Thornett (49)
Dunno why we're so fixated on the Tizzano incident, Sheehan jumping for the try is the biggest wtf than a 50/50 call in a ruck.

Both games the Lions have appeared to get the rub of the Refs.
Yep another one that was blatant he jumps up and over an attempted tackler 9.11 Players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others including leading with the elbow or forearm, or jumping into, or over, a tackler.
 

TSR

Steve Williams (59)
At the game the most obvious one was Russell kicking for touch 5m past the mark every time. Painfully blatant.
I noticed that the first time he put one deep into our 22 off a penalty. He seemed to run straight past the ref who did nothing. Can’t understand why the ref would just let that happen.
 
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