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I thought his first gig was with the Tahs?H
He has coached league. Whatever Norths and manly was. That’s where he got the first gig with South Africa.
I thought his first gig was with the Tahs?H
He has coached league. Whatever Norths and manly was. That’s where he got the first gig with South Africa.
it was well inside my time, but my memory is crap, and I would like to say it's the 'old timers disease', but I have always been like this....Before your time maybe. Muggo was one of those seminal characters in Australian Rugby. Rod McQueen was another.
I dont think that's completely true, we were down in the first half of the season and came back really well. I just think we lost a bunch of players and then our impact was effected..True Strewth, when we were 1 point away at 60 mins and lose like that in the last 20 something is very wrong. Most top teams lift in the last 20, whilst we go missing. (still think we ain't fit enough).
Back on the bench back rower topic, my hope is that next year it could be Cale. Fully agree it’s a wasted spot having Tizzano there given McReight should play 80.
I thought his first gig was with the Tahs?
What's the break between the 3 Nations Cup internationals and the following Test matches? Isn't it just gonna be the same issue next year for Kiss? I think it's just cleaner if Kiss coaches the boys in 2026. Yeah, he's got the Reds campaign but it's possible to have your eye on both targets IMO.
Joe Schmidt says he would be “disappointed” if he doesn’t finish up with the Wallabies on his own terms, but admits he would be happy to walk away if Rugby Australia determines it’s the best outcome following a horror end to 2025.
Asked whether he was determined to bow out on his own terms in late July, Schmidt said he was only continuing with the Wallabies until mid-2026 because Rugby Australia had asked him to stay on in April to allow Kiss to finish his tenure at the Reds.
“Unless somebody else can do a better job, I’m happy to step away,” Schmidt said.
“I was only really going to be here until the end of the Lions. And then six days later, we were assembling to fly to South Africa.
“I understood that it was very hard for someone to come in and suddenly take over at that stage, and then because of the very tight window before we even came away on tour, again, it’s very hard for someone suddenly to come in.
“As I said before, I absolutely admire this group of young men who are trying really hard.
“So if there’s a sense that somebody else can come in and do a better job, that’s certainly not for me to say. I’ll just play golf a bit sooner.”
Schmidt did, however, say he would be left “disappointed” if he wasn’t allowed to serve out his two-and-a-half-year tenure.
“I’ll be disappointed because I think these guys are working really hard, and I think they will continue to mature.”
The experienced coach added that he didn’t know how Rugby Australia was thinking heading into the new year.
“That’s somebody else’s decision to make,” he said.
TBC but likely 3 weeksWhat's the break between the 3 Nations Cup internationals and the following Test matches?
I don't think that early switch would be particularly helpful, given the disruption at the Reds would probably end up off setting the gains at the top in a period where the Wallabies coach isn't really hands on.What's the break between the 3 Nations Cup internationals and the following Test matches? Isn't it just gonna be the same issue next year for Kiss? I think it's just cleaner if Kiss coaches the boys in 2026. Yeah, he's got the Reds campaign but it's possible to have your eye on both targets IMO.
Well, I don't have a problem If Kiss is there at the training camps overseeing. Maybe this is happening already and RA aren't making it public? Ultimately, it's Kiss' team for the WC and the band aid needs to come off at some point. Coaching succession plans very rarely work because the public pick at the band aid wanting it ripped off. The ones that do work are assistant coaches succeeding their master so there is continuity of ideas.I don't think that early switch would be particularly helpful, given the disruption at the Reds would probably end up off setting the gains at the top in a period where the Wallabies coach isn't really hands on.
Better to look at ways of accelerating the transition in that Nations Cup period with Les Kiss coming into camp. Right now the focus from an RA perspective should really be that broader coaching team (which Joe will probably still have some role in) and ensuring they get the best possible assistants around Les, and get them in as early as possible. I think that probably also means one of Donnelly and Ulugia moves on, I'm not sure having both forwards coaches that inexperienced is ever going to work, particularly if Fisher moves on. Ideally that would probably be Palmer in for Ulugia.
It is to some degree, Kiss was with the side for a while in Europe.Well, I don't have a problem If Kiss is there at the training camps overseeing. Maybe this is happening already and RA aren't making it public?
This hardly seems like a good reason to abandon the plan and indulge the public desire to "pick at the bandaid". Better to focus on doing it right. There's a reason Kiss didn't take dual roles as was initially floated, he felt the split focus wouldn't benefit either side.Ultimately, it's Kiss' team for the WC and the band aid needs to come off at some point. Coaching succession plans very rarely work because the public pick at the band aid wanting it ripped off. The ones that do work are assistant coaches succeeding their master so there is continuity of ideas.
Maybe McKellar in for Laurie?I don't think that early switch would be particularly helpful, given the disruption at the Reds would probably end up off setting the gains at the top in a period where the Wallabies coach isn't really hands on.
Better to look at ways of accelerating the transition in that Nations Cup period with Les Kiss coming into camp. Right now the focus from an RA perspective should really be that broader coaching team (which Joe will probably still have some role in) and ensuring they get the best possible assistants around Les, and get them in as early as possible. I think that probably also means one of Donnelly and Ulugia moves on, I'm not sure having both forwards coaches that inexperienced is ever going to work, particularly if Fisher moves on. Ideally that would probably be Palmer in for Ulugia.
He'd be good to have in the setup but I don't think McKellar has much interest in coming in as an assistant at this stage, I imagine he'd prefer to wait it out and take the top job if things don't go well at the world cup. It might also be "too many cooks" to have another guy that was ostensibly up for the role come in.Maybe McKellar in for Laurie?
Before the France game, Tizzano has been providing good impact off the bench. His game has evolved this year to be more than a traditional 7, with good tight ball running, post contact metres and try finishing on top of his very good tackling, ruck and over the ball work.Back on the bench back rower topic, my hope is that next year it could be Cale. Fully agree it’s a wasted spot having Tizzano there given McReight should play 80.
Just leave it as is, we have the plan already
Joe Schmidt says he would be “disappointed” if he doesn’t finish up with the Wallabies on his own terms, but admits he would be happy to walk away if Rugby Australia determines it’s the best outcome following a horror end to 2025.
Asked whether he was determined to bow out on his own terms in late July, Schmidt said he was only continuing with the Wallabies until mid-2026 because Rugby Australia had asked him to stay on in April to allow Kiss to finish his tenure at the Reds.
“Unless somebody else can do a better job, I’m happy to step away,” Schmidt said.
“I was only really going to be here until the end of the Lions. And then six days later, we were assembling to fly to South Africa.
“I understood that it was very hard for someone to come in and suddenly take over at that stage, and then because of the very tight window before we even came away on tour, again, it’s very hard for someone suddenly to come in.
“As I said before, I absolutely admire this group of young men who are trying really hard.
“So if there’s a sense that somebody else can come in and do a better job, that’s certainly not for me to say. I’ll just play golf a bit sooner.”
Schmidt did, however, say he would be left “disappointed” if he wasn’t allowed to serve out his two-and-a-half-year tenure.
“I’ll be disappointed because I think these guys are working really hard, and I think they will continue to mature.”
The experienced coach added that he didn’t know how Rugby Australia was thinking heading into the new year.
“That’s somebody else’s decision to make,” he said.
Yeah, this decision was made when we were on course, now I'm not so sure. In any case RA have been making this up "this plan" as they go so think it's all pretty flexible. We're also talking about 3 games which is not a whole lot in the scheme of things. So it could be argued either way I guess. I just want the players to transition to Les' gameplan quickly and I worry that Schmidt and his tactics are pretty different.This hardly seems like a good reason to abandon the plan and indulge the public desire to "pick at the bandaid". Better to focus on doing it right. There's a reason Kiss didn't take dual roles as was initially floated, he felt the split focus wouldn't benefit either side.