Wallaby 10 debate

[Wilson]

Meredith has potential and has shown some of it so far, but he still needs to actually get both hands on the Brumbies jersey - he's still only managed 4 starts in super rugby and has averaged 19 minutes per game across his 23 matches. Normally you'd expect him to be stepping into the starting role this year, but with Edmed signing and Wright injured it looks like he'll be spending more time at fullback than flyhalf. If the Brumbies manage to grab Lomax as well (or even just once Wright is back) he could find himself wearing the 23 jersey for another season.

It's hard to see him getting the time he would need to really stake a claim for a wallabies spot, particularly at a time when we need stop casting such a wide net and focus on building a couple of players into the role.

 

[Red Runner]

Well according to the Super Rugby Player of the Round points

Brumbies v Blues

Blues v Brumbies​

6 - Patrick Tuipulotu (BLU)

5 - Tom Hooper (BRU)

3 - Declan Meredith (BRU), Rory Scott (BRU)

2 - Beauden Barrett (BLU), Cameron Suafoa (BLU)

1 - Allan Ala'alatoa (BRU), AJ Lam (BLU), Finlay Christie (BLU)

So Tuipulotu the player of the match and Tom Hooper the best Brumby.

but….

Queensland Reds V Blues​

5 - Tom Lynagh (RED), Tate McDermott (RED)

4 - Hoskins Sotutu (BLU)

3 - AJ Lam (BLU)

2 - Anton Segner (BLU), Zarn Sullivan (BLU)

1 - Hunter Paisami (RED), Fraser McReight (RED), Sam Nock (BLU)

I guess we can now put the Wallaby 9-10 combo in ink given “player of the match v the Blues” seems the decisive factor.

 

[Yoda]

Well according to the Super Rugby Player of the Round points

Brumbies v Blues

Blues v Brumbies​

6 - Patrick Tuipulotu (BLU)

5 - Tom Hooper (BRU)

3 - Declan Meredith (BRU), Rory Scott (BRU)

2 - Beauden Barrett (BLU), Cameron Suafoa (BLU)

1 - Allan Ala'alatoa (BRU), AJ Lam (BLU), Finlay Christie (BLU)

So Tuipulotu the player of the match and Tom Hooper the best Brumby.

but….

Queensland Reds V Blues​

5 - Tom Lynagh (RED), Tate McDermott (RED)

4 - Hoskins Sotutu (BLU)

3 - AJ Lam (BLU)

2 - Anton Segner (BLU), Zarn Sullivan (BLU)

1 - Hunter Paisami (RED), Fraser McReight (RED), Sam Nock (BLU)

I guess we can now put the Wallaby 9-10 combo in ink given “player of the match v the Blues” seems the decisive factor.

I think that has silenced BR until next season Red Runner!

 

[dillyboy]

Surprised we're discussing Wallaby 10s and no one has mentioned Quade or Foley yet

 

[fatprop]

My 2 cents, Donaldson & Gordon (in no particular order)

They are all average, but those two are the biggest options, so i pick them as they need less hiding

Noah is the only other option, but he is wounded and playing in Japan

 

[Upthemaroon!]

My 2 cents, Donaldson & Gordon (in no particular order)

They are all average, but those two are the biggest options, so i pick them as they need less hiding

Noah is the only other option, but he is wounded and playing in Japan

Swap Noah in for Donaldson and you've got the pair I think. I agree with you on the average part. They will do their part but won't set ovals alight any time soon in the Green and Gold.

 

[Homer]

We need to ensure the 10s have the right game plan to play to. Some of them are looking ordinary because they are playing plans that dont match their skills. Quade had a great pass, which Mckenzie let him use, and the reds were able to run teams around.
Dono and Carter have decent passes and like to run, let them do it. If we play a 10 man game like they did in europe any 10 will look crap.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Meredith has potential and has shown some of it so far, but he still needs to actually get both hands on the Brumbies jersey - he's still only managed 4 starts in super rugby and has averaged 19 minutes per game across his 23 matches. Normally you'd expect him to be stepping into the starting role this year, but with Edmed signing and Wright injured it looks like he'll be spending more time at fullback than flyhalf. If the Brumbies manage to grab Lomax as well (or even just once Wright is back) he could find himself wearing the 23 jersey for another season.

It's hard to see him getting the time he would need to really stake a claim for a wallabies spot, particularly at a time when we need stop casting such a wide net and focus on building a couple of players into the role.

This indicates how unconvincing every other candidate is. He's a decent player but also benefits from being in Aus highest performing side. His showings if done for the Force or Tahs wouldn't rate as high.

- Will admit I have no idea how Edmed earned his chance from the Tahs but JS seems to like a steady 10 if there isn't a stand out.

 

[Ras]

I'm not jumping out of my seat with our options but - I am excited to see both Lynagh and particularly Gordon get a full preseason of Super Rugby, a season of 16 games and the wallabies camps under Les Kiss before we get to the end of season games.

The last time we had that would have been Foley under Cheika. Dare I say that was the last time we had a solid reliable international flyhalf who was exceeding his standards in the 2015 Campaign.

 

[Yoda]

We need to ensure the 10s have the right game plan to play to. Some of them are looking ordinary because they are playing plans that dont match their skills. Quade had a great pass, which Mckenzie let him use, and the reds were able to run teams around.
Dono and Carter have decent passes and like to run, let them do it. If we play a 10 man game like they did in europe any 10 will look crap.

Well said Homer. Carter and Donno are our two best and Kiss needs to let them run the backline.

 

[Wobblies2027]

Well said Homer. Carter and Donno are our two best and Kiss needs to let them run the backline.

**disclaimer*, below comment is all with the aim of winning the home world cup in 2027.

A seperate discussion id like to hear the forum's view on is whether Aus. should be aiming to win in 2027 (and make the necessary changes in the team at flyhalf to do so, or whether we as supporters should be content with a knock-out stage exit i.e. top 8?).

Interested to hear what games / attributes you've seen of Donaldson that is deserving of this status as top 2 flyhalf in Aus?
I get we're short of 10's but I'd suggest that means RA need to source elsewhere rather than hammering away at players who will never cut it on the world stage. I dont think this mantra applies for every position, but interested to hear of examples where flyhalves who seriously underperformed at Super Rugby level (let alone internationally even against 2nd-tier nations (e.g. Georgia, Fiji, Wales) in the early stages of their career and went on to dominate later on?

I've said it before but if we want to have any hope of winning the world cup, donaldson will simply not cut it. We haven't seen enough of Carter in recent times but he is certainly the best we have but absolutely not Donaldson or Edmed.

Suggest Lynagh is number 2 option in Aus notwithstanding he has serious concerns surrounding his head knocks

 

[rugbyAU]

**disclaimer*, below comment is all with the aim of winning the home world cup in 2027.

A seperate discussion id like to hear the forum's view on is whether Aus. should be aiming to win in 2027 (and make the necessary changes in the team at flyhalf to do so, or whether we as supporters should be content with a knock-out stage exit i.e. top 8?).

Interested to hear what games / attributes you've seen of Donaldson that is deserving of this status as top 2 flyhalf in Aus?
I get we're short of 10's but I'd suggest that means RA need to source elsewhere rather than hammering away at players who will never cut it on the world stage. I dont think this mantra applies for every position, but interested to hear of examples where flyhalves who seriously underperformed at Super Rugby level (let alone internationally even against 2nd-tier nations (e.g. Georgia, Fiji, Wales) in the early stages of their career and went on to dominate later on?

I've said it before but if we want to have any hope of winning the world cup, donaldson will simply not cut it. We haven't seen enough of Carter in recent times but he is certainly the best we have but absolutely not Donaldson or Edmed.

Suggest Lynagh is number 2 option in Aus notwithstanding he has serious concerns surrounding his head knocks

Semi final is a pass for this WC a QF exit would be a fail

Gordon and Lynagh should be in who should the third be?

 

[Wobblies2027]

JOC (James O'Connor) to balance out experience and would be his fourth world cup, I've seen nothing to suggest he shouldn't be in the squad

 

[Brumby Runner]

**disclaimer*, below comment is all with the aim of winning the home world cup in 2027.

A seperate discussion id like to hear the forum's view on is whether Aus. should be aiming to win in 2027 (and make the necessary changes in the team at flyhalf to do so, or whether we as supporters should be content with a knock-out stage exit i.e. top 8?).

With the present crop of No 10s, we should make the Round of 16. An exit in the Quareter Final is a real probability depending on how games go and who our opponent will be. All going according to rankings, I understand we will be up against one of the group winners, probably a side ranked 1 - 6, so it will be at this stage an upset if we progress beyond the Quarters.

If we want to have a chance at going further, we will need to hope that Carter Gordon lives up to his promise, and we'll need one or two others who untried at this level right now. I think there's a real chance Tom Lynagh won't make to the RWC due head injuries, and neither of Dlonno nor Tane Edmed will lead the side to victories over the top ranked sides. Imho it is time for a change.

 

[Wobblies2027]

With the present crop of No 10s, we should make the Round of 16. An exit in the Quareter Final is a real probability depending on how games go and who our opponent will be. All going according to rankings, I understand we will be up against one of the group winners, probably a side ranked 1 - 6, so it will be at this stage an upset if we progress beyond the Quarters.

If we want to have a chance at going further, we will need to hope that Carter Gordon lives up to his promise, and we'll need one or two others who untried at this level right now. I think there's a real chance Tom Lynagh won't make to the RWC due head injuries, and neither of Dlonno nor Tane Edmed will lead the side to victories over the top ranked sides. Imho it is time for a change.

BR - a change to what or whom? Are you suggesting that we scout talent from League?

 

[Brumby Runner]

BR - a change to what or whom? Are you suggesting that we scout talent from League?

No. I've made my views well known above.

 

[Strewthcobber]

With the present crop of No 10s, we should make the Round of 16. An exit in the Quareter Final is a real probability depending on how games go and who our opponent will be. All going according to rankings, I understand we will be up against one of the group winners, probably a side ranked 1 - 6, so it will be at this stage an upset if we progress beyond the Quarters.

If we lose to NZ, it's probably Japan in R16, England in QF and then Arg/Ire in SF

If we beat NZ, it's probably Spain in R16, then SA, then France/Fiji

 

[Strewthcobber]

I don't really understand why everyone is so sure it wouldn't just be Lolseio that's selected?

Sure, he hasn't set the world on fire, but he can clearly play to a plan successfully, which no one else has been able to demonstrate so far

 

[rugbyAU]

I don't really understand why everyone is so sure it wouldn't just be Lolseio that's selected?

Sure, he hasn't set the world on fire, but he can clearly play to a plan successfully, which no one else has been able to demonstrate so far

Missing the last 14 tests and being overseas

 

[Strewthcobber]

Missing the last 14 tests and being overseas

This clearly doesn't matter to our coaches (eg C Gordon)