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Chilla Wilson (44)
5000 to a grand final even if it was raining, that is piss poor effort , it shows you the state of rugby in nsw, rugby is goin down big time better jump off the sinking ship off to afl or league

ok, go to afl, where there is no such thing as extra time, no yellow and red cards, you get a point for missing and no one in the latest generation follows it. Or go to mungoball, where the best players consist of Lote Tuqiri. The same code that gets 8,000 to a game on a good day. Or why dont you support the A-League... they had a crowd under 1000 this year.
 

ChargerWA

Mark Loane (55)
If you notice the two main things people are whinging about in this thread (besides Stu Dickinson), one being, too many contracted players playing in the state grade GF, taking ths spots of young up and comers, and secondly, poor fan support. Both of these things could be improved by reintroducing a national competition.

If we had a national comp, we would have a better level of competition, for our S15 contracted players and young state up and comers to mix at. I don't agree that bumping youg players who have played for their club all season for in coming superstars does any favours to a club or their culture. For mine, a Sydney Uni V Randwick grand final should have a good percentage of players in it, who have competed against each other, for each of their indidvidual clubs in each age group as they have developed.

A national comp also attracts more media attention and interest. I know the previous national comp fell down in this area, but it was the first season and marketing appeared to be non-existant. It also creates opportunity for the young aussie guys who have had to go over to the ITM cup this year, if they want to continue to play a high level of rugby.
 
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rugga10

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well at least the sports aren't run by a bunch of stuck up toffs & who dont discriminate people west of the anzac bridge
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
well at least the sports aren't run by a bunch of stuck up toffs & who dont discriminate people west of the anzac bridge

Is that just your standard argument, or was there a particular incident yesterday that showed this discrimination?
 

Bowside

Peter Johnson (47)
As much as a dont like the way rugga10 is winding us up, there is a little thruth to his argument.

On a weekend when the rival codes in this country are holding massive events which capture the nations attention and command massive media attention, the best rugby can do is get 5000 people to a grand final contested between two clubs who epitimise the "toff" sterotypes the wider community hold of our game. Futhermore this game commanded little to no media attention purley because it is of no interest to the majority of people in this country. This was made worse by the fact that it wasnt a particularly good spectacle and the ref was shit.

There is no doubting the reasons why rugby is Australia's '4th' code, and the ARU should be ashamed they have allowd what I truely believe to be the best football code in the world to fall into such disrepute in this country.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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This game wasn't the same as an NRL or AFL final.

It is better to use Cricket as the model for rugby, this was a semi pro club match final , not the S14/15 final or a test match
 
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rugga10

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That doesn't matter The Shute shield Grand finals used to attract a crowd of 15,000 + and had a larger coverage in the major newspapers, The last 5 yrs the game has just lost crowd numbers and interest of the wider community, why this happened and in particular why has it happened in the west ?
 
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rugga10

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Is that just your standard argument, or was there a particular incident yesterday that showed this discrimination?

Konz, this is my standard argument , rugby has always been like this and if it doesn't change then it will remain the 4th ranked footy code in australian forever
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
As much as a dont like the way rugga10 is winding us up, there is a little thruth to his argument.

On a weekend when the rival codes in this country are holding massive events which capture the nations attention and command massive media attention, the best rugby can do is get 5000 people to a grand final contested between two clubs who epitimise the "toff" sterotypes the wider community hold of our game. Futhermore this game commanded little to no media attention purley because it is of no interest to the majority of people in this country. This was made worse by the fact that it wasnt a particularly good spectacle and the ref was shit.

There is no doubting the reasons why rugby is Australia's '4th' code, and the ARU should be ashamed they have allowd what I truely believe to be the best football code in the world to fall into such disrepute in this country.

I agree with parts of your post bowside. The fact that in the last two weeks the lead up finals were played on fields I wouldn't graze sheep on was a huge let down. The fact that Uni has now won 6 on the rot is no cause for concern. The is little to no advertising of the game so only the die hards know about it, in fact have a look at the other thread regarding tickets and some of the Rugby nuts on this blog didn't even know the game was at Concord. There is no TV coverage outside NSW. Given that how can we expect more than 5K to show up. Also bare in mind that Randwick was involved in all the grade finals so many would have gone to other games.

In the history of the Shute Shield Uni and Randwick have dominated and they have always had the programs in place to nurture and develop the players available to them. It was true in the past and remains true now.

Have a look at Randwick this year. They got to the top 6 without any of their stars for most of the year using 60 players in 1st Grade due to injury. Yes they brought in a few players because the cupboard ran bare. Yes of those they brought in Maninoa was a revelation, but when he first ran out I'll bet you most of those whinging here wouldn't even have known his name. Where was the whinging about the two props the Wicks played from the Bris comp because they had nobody else to play? It was either that or forfeit as scrums couldn't be safely packed. At the start of that game Mark Giacherri still expressed some concern about scrum safety as in addition they used the 2nd or 3rd Grade Hooker.

Have a read of Bruce Ross's posts about the Uni setup and you can immediately see why players want to play at Uni. If they want to be a pro player what better place to condition and prepare. There is some phenominal talent at other clubs who just don't get the prep and conditioning.

Then there is the history and pride at Randwick and Uni that is missing to a big degree at many other clubs. Have a look at a bloke like Geoff Sayle, he has been turning up at every Randwick game and been an official at the club longer than I have been alive. It is that commitment that attracts new blood to the club, from those who have no previous ties.

I look back on the peak of Club Rugby in '93 to '96 and all the Wallaby players turned out for the clubs. Yes that was before professionalism, and there lies the key, Club Rugby is stuck in that limbo between Professional and Amateur Rugby. There just isn't enough cash to go full Pro and I can't see that there ever will be.
 
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chief

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Rugby in Western Sydney is now dead. Hate to say it, but it is. It cannot be fixed, and it won't be fixed.
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
It's all getting a bit emotional in here, and it's pure hyperbole to say rugby is dead in western Sydney so I'm not paying that any attention.

The biggest factor in the drop-off in Shute attendance/coverage etc (note I'm not saying there haven't been admin failures etc) is the fact that super rugby has gone from strength to strength and there are many more Tests these days than there were 10, 15 or 20 years ago. Realistically that was always going to happen. It would have been nice to take more off the other codes but most of the loss has been to the benefit of the other forms of rugby on show.

Hardly the end of the world, people.
 
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rugga10

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It's all getting a bit emotional in here, and it's pure hyperbole to say rugby is dead in western Sydney so I'm not paying that any attention.
The biggest factor in the drop-off in Shute attendance/coverage etc (note I'm not saying there haven't been admin failures etc) is the fact that super rugby has gone from strength to strength and there are many more Tests these days than there were 10, 15 or 20 years ago. Realistically that was always going to happen. It would have been nice to take more off the other codes but most of the loss has been to the benefit of the other forms of rugby on show.

Hardly the end of the world, people.

Thats the whole reason why it is dying as that is the attitude of people inparticular the admins of the game, the west is being neglected and people aren't paying attention

Does anybody Know the crowd figures when Eastwood were in the Gf's during the 2000's and when Parra won in the 80's ?
 

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Phil Kearns (64)
Thats the whole reason why it is dying as that is the attitude of people inparticular the admins of the game, the west is being neglected and people aren't paying attention

Does anybody Know the crowd figures when Eastwood were in the Gf's during the 2000's and when Parra won in the 80's ?

The crowds were much bigger at the SFS a few years ago, but they have gradually dropped away. I am pretty sure the best part of 15,000 were there in 1999 when the Woodies won their first first grade premiership. The best moment was when schoolboy sensation Phil Waugh (sic) dropped the ball with the line wide open. Then the Woodies scored a match-winning try from a forward pass.


They don't make 'em like that any more.
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Thats the whole reason why it is dying as that is the attitude of people inparticular the admins of the game, the west is being neglected and people aren't paying attention

Does anybody Know the crowd figures when Eastwood were in the Gf's during the 2000's and when Parra won in the 80's ?

That wasn't the main point of my post and I know I may be feeding the beast here but I played all of my junior rugby in western sydney (not that long ago) and at that very grassroots level all the clubs have at least one team in every age group and some have several. These grassroots just need more support to get to the next level. All the blokes I played with loved their rugby but not that many would have gone to watch first grade play next door at Concord...
 

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Frank Nicholson (4)
y is it that a sydney competition often gets compared to national competitions?? shouldnt the shute shield be compared to its equivalent league and afl competitions?? i do not no anything of those competitions but i am willing to bet that they are nowere near as strong or of such a quality as the shute.
 

I like to watch

David Codey (61)
I don't think crowds are a good barometer of the state of affairs in all things rugby. Comparing it to the glory days of whenever is not relevant, as we all live in a different world. Look at the Sheffield Shield..not even the wives & girlfriends turn up.
I had intended on going out to the GF yesterday to watch a few of the games.
The weather was crap, I decided to stay home, watch a few G1 races, graze over GayFL, the ITM Cup was there & I could tune in @ 3pm.
I didn't get a wet arse, didn't have to travel 1 hour each way saved myself $50 & got to watch a lot of bits of everything.
Just cos you don't turn up, doesn't mean that Rugby has lost you. there is just too much available for people with Foxtel etc. i mean FFS I can now have a bet on the races without even picking up the phone!
 

Bruce Ross

Ken Catchpole (46)
Some good points made by sjg - welcome aboard - and I Like to watch. I can't see the point in trying to read too much into the Grand Final attendance. It is what it is. Rugby followers are a different breed to those who follow other codes.

There has been a lot of criticism over the fact that the game was between Uni and Randwick. But would Souths and Manly have filled Concord? I doubt it. I certainly wouldn't have been there but I would have watched it on TV.

I can't believe that having Test players engaged is a negative. Decades ago I was living in Wollongong and had no affiliations with any of the Sydney teams - not even Uni although at the time I was commuting to teach there. But I quite often came up to watch Grand Finals with the main attractor being players like Mark Ella and Campo.
 

RugbyFuture

Lord Logo
USyd and Randwick have more backroom supporters than frontroom ones, and this was reflected, it shouldnt have been played at concord too, for the people competing, it should have been somewhere close to USyd and Randwick. i remember going to the eastwood grand finals and they were quite awesome (if not tame) just because people where there, because it was a daytrip into the city, (though i was quite young [not small] when this happened).

Rugby in western sydney is far from dead however, and growing quite well (but not at the rate we need) its becoming more apparent and more clubs are forming

sidenote: i was at Macquarie Centre for work the past two weekends and more rugby gear was out than mungo gear, i was quite happy about that, especially considering it was grand final weekend this one.
 
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