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Waratahs V Force - Superugby Rd 4

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Brumbies Guy

John Solomon (38)
I'm happy to call it mediocre. The playing structure was timid. Play a safe boring game and try nothing because that is safer than trying a few things.
It's good enough to beat the weaker sides, and good enough to be competitive against the better sides, sometimes even good enough to sneak into a semi.
You will never win a GF like that.We had arguably the best back 3 in the comp, and they usually got the ball from the opposition rather than their team mates.Sorry but I think that's fucked.

It worked for the Bulls who've won the comp 3 times in the last 5 years..
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
In watching the replay, the most pleasing part was that we seemed to out-enthuse the Tahs. This victory was built almost 100% on desire, which made up for a lack of attacking polish. The reaction of the players said it all and I'm really happy for them. The challenge is to repeat it next week, because passion only gets you so far.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
IS, you've made your point. In fact about 7 times now. So whenever someone brings up Horne, there is no need to repeatedly chip in with pointless comments. We will just assume from now on that you are anti-Horne (which is fine), and we will apply that knowledge whenever he is raised.
the difference between that post and others was evidently too subtle for you


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waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
Hypothetical here,

If the reds had lost against the Tahs.
Then again against the rebels.

Wuld they be having the same sort of reaction as the Tahs?
 

suckerforred

Chilla Wilson (44)
Hypothetical here,

If the reds had lost against the Tahs.
Then again against the rebels.

Wuld they be having the same sort of reaction as the Tahs?

I don't think so actually. We would be pissed that they weren't getting their shit together, but focusing on the positives. And NOT NOT NOT booing our team.
 

brokendown

Bill McLean (32)
just got back to perth after a group of us from another forum travelled over for the match(a few are going on to melbourne,but my liver told me no to that!)
two things come to mind;
A) the small crowd &
B) the number of who were,booing their own team.I know(being a force fan,after all),how frustrating it is,when your side is not performing well,but FFS booing your own side!!
me thinks something ios rotten in the state of Tahland


ps,
the rocks,rock
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
It's pretty different to be coming off a title versus coming off another below expectations season killed by injuries and poor execution.

What if the reds scrape into the finals this year and get knocked out, is that below expectations the same way you judge the Tahs or different as the reds have only just recently started making finals?
 
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tranquility

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Lets get this straight again, people aren't critical of the Waratahs because of tall poppy syndrome, or because of any egotistical Australian psychological games. It is because the Waratahs consistently play unapologetically dour football, and through their own shear arrogance (supporters, players, and coaches alike) expect the rest of the respecting Australian rugby community to accept that is how winning rugby is played. When realistically it is that exact dour rugby philosophy which has meant that NSW rugby has never won a super title despite having the squad and form to have done it on many occasions.

The Reds will not suffer the same backlash, unless they begin to play boring, predictable rugby and then try to feed the public with psychobabble about playing to the percentages and how Tom Carter is actually a good player, despite the fact that no-one who watches him play could ever come to the same conclusion.
 

MrMouse

Bob Loudon (25)
Lets get this straight again, people aren't critical of the Waratahs because of tall poppy syndrome, or because of any egotistical Australian psychological games. It is because the Waratahs consistently play unapologetically dour football, and through their own shear arrogance (supporters, players, and coaches alike) expect the rest of the respecting Australian rugby community to accept that is how winning rugby is played. When realistically it is that exact dour rugby philosophy which has meant that NSW rugby has never won a super title despite have the squad and form to have done it on many occasions.

The Reds will not suffer the same backlash, unless they begin to play boring, predictable rugby and then try to feed the public with psychobabble about playing to the percentages and how Tom Carter is actually a good player, despite the fact that no-one who watches him play could ever come to the same conclusion.
Wow. That was a bit vitriolic.

It's good to know what you think of every Tahs fan, tranquility. Generalisation for the win. For the record, I think most Reds fans are pretty cool, but you, specifically, acted like a knob - on this occasion.

A few points. 1) we are not winning. 2) I have not hear one single supporter (or player or coach) for some years argue that "this is how winning rugby is played". In fact, the last coach I remember clearly saying it was Link. 3) It's good to know that, your team having won a Super Rugby title, you are in the position to shit on NSW's lack of one. But how can we have had the form to win, if we played unapologetically dour football? Could it be the odd injury at inauspicious moments? No, perish the thought. 4) I am genuinely glad that you feel that the Reds fans will stick with them, but the past begs to differ. When the Reds weren't winning and playing attractively, they were haemorrhaging both money and fans. They were close to bankruptcy. That is the reality. 5) I'm not even going to both responding to the Carter jibe.
 

suckerforred

Chilla Wilson (44)
Now I have seen the full match my views...

Dean Mumm can feel hardly done by for that yellow card. Yeah he was in the wrong place but certainly didn't deliberately knock the ball out of Sheean's hands.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) has been working on his kicks and his swan dives. Tough call on his disallowed try, but, well, that is one of those "them's the rules" things. I think that this is one area that the powers that be might need to look at though.

Harvey had a good debut. Will be interesting to see if he maintains this. Yep hey had some shocking kicks, and is not as fast as some, but his place kicking is certainly good and decision making is what the Force need.

Hangers seems to be settling, and therefore playing better. I am going to raise the ire of the Tahs supporters and suggest that perhaps he should stay at 10 and BB at 12. But then I have been know to make the statement that I think that BB is the best 12 that we have in Oz.

Jono Jenkins, as I have said in the Tahs thread, I think will be a good 7. Leave him there and let him develop.

The 'knock on' before Kingston's try- I'm not sure it really was. One of those could have gone either way things that happen.

S Timani must own shares in Leukoplast!

Now to really stir - should Siti's (Force 12) tackle on Barnes be looked at in the light of Diggers 5 week suspension?

Lastly The crowd looked really sparse.
 
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tranquility

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Wow. That was a bit vitriolic.

It's good to know what you think of every Tahs fan, tranquility. Generalisation for the win. For the record, I think most Reds fans are pretty cool, but you, specifically, acted like a knob - on this occasion.

A few points. 1) we are not winning. 2) I have not hear one single supporter (or player or coach) for some years argue that "this is how winning rugby is played". In fact, the last coach I remember clearly saying it was Link. 3) It's good to know that, your team having won a Super Rugby title, you are in the position to shit on NSW's lack of one. But how can we have had the form to win, if we played unapologetically dour football? Could it be the odd injury at inauspicious moments? No, perish the thought. 4) I am genuinely glad that you feel that the Reds fans will stick with them, but the past begs to differ. When the Reds weren't winning and playing attractively, they were haemorrhaging both money and fans. They were close to bankruptcy. That is the reality. 5) I'm not even going to both responding to the Carter jibe.

What if the reds scrape into the finals this year and get knocked out, is that below expectations the same way you judge the Tahs or different as the reds have only just recently started making finals?

If my post was vitriolic, what do you call this kind of stuff?

I will address your points as written numerically.

2. Maybe it is a generalization, and I am infact writing to the upper outlier of passionate Waratah supporters however the sentiment about winning rugby is a sentiment that I have picked up on this board. Ie; that expansive rugby is entertaining, but is not sustainable in the context of winning rugby.
3. Well no, not just the one but four times. 1992, 1994, 1995 and 2011.
4. I believe the wider Australian rugby community will support them as well as QLD supporters as long as they maintain the expansive and exciting rugby they are capable of and do not revert to a percentage or Northern Hemisphere style game which is completely negligent of the climate that we exist in.

Like any sporting entity, financial success is largely dependent on success. So if the Reds start losing consistently, and players leave for other opportunities I am sure like an franchise we would suffer financial hardship.
5. Probably for the best, I can admit that was intentionally inflammatory.
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
Now to really stir - should Siti's (Force 12) tackle on Barnes be looked at in the light of Diggers 5 week suspension?

Not in my opinion. It should be looked at in comparison with Kade Poki's tackle on AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper). In that case the referee and AR, both from NZ and the citing commissioner, also from NZ, saw no offence whatsoever. Now, strangely, dangerous lifting tackles are all the rage. I hope all three NZ officials get the same 5 week suspension that Digby got but I won't be holding my breath.
 
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