School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[en_force_er]

Its odd given Melbourne's more cultural traditions that your schools should offer wood work scholarships while ours are offering scholarships in the arts, in particular the art of playing the triangle.
On a serious note - and this blurs the line I like to run - some of these scholarships in NSW are apparently termed "leadership" scholarships.funny that the recipients are seldom made captain!

The standard line is "we are giving a great kid from a disadvantaged background an opportunity" and you can't argue with that.

But what about all the financially disadvantaged great kids that aren't good at sport? Or the kids that get scholarships that aren't exactly privet school rich but are financially comfortable?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

The standard line is "we are giving a great kid from a disadvantaged background an opportunity" and you can't argue with that.

But what about all the financially disadvantaged great kids that aren't good at sport? Or the kids that get scholarships that aren't exactly privet school rich but are financially comfortable?

that is the unfairness of life - but it is still better than the alternative

 

[Freddo Frog]

On a serious note - and this blurs the line I like to run - some of these scholarships in NSW are apparently termed "leadership" scholarships.funny that the recipients are seldom made captain!

I think you may find at least some of them are in fact made Captain.....of the rugby team.

In all seriousness I think "all-round" or "leadership"- type scholarships and bursaries are very valid and worthwhile as long as they are given in the early years of high school (ie Yr 7 or 8). But giving the captain of the 16A's rugby team a scholarship to another school for year 11 & 12 isn't helping the boy much (if at all) and goes against what schoolboy sport should be all about.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I think you may find at least some of them are in fact made Captain...of the rugby team.

In all seriousness I think "all-round" or "leadership"- type scholarships and bursaries are very valid and worthwhile as long as they are given in the early years of high school (ie Yr 7 or 8). But giving the captain of the 16A's rugby team a scholarship to another school for year 11 & 12 isn't helping the boy much (if at all) and goes against what schoolboy sport should be all about.

Sure helps his parents though!

 

[RUGBYGIRL11]

So its just a coincidence that 6 boys not at newington who were coached by a newington teacher in NSW u16's in 2011 finished up at the school in 2012?
And its just a coincidence that 4 boys who played NSW primary schools turned up at the school in year 7 in 2011?

You gotta be joking. Boys who were booked in at New when they were 11 and spend all six years of high school at New are now "imports". I guess New's success can now be put down to the masterful talent spotting abilities of the rugby staff - they can pick a Champion at age 11, give them a scholarship and six years and $250,000 later get a Champion "import" !!

Reminds me of 2010 when Joel Luani was called an import despite his father and uncle both attending New.

Let's try something different and talk about Riverview and their 200 Old Boys "bursary" boys. These guys are the masters of the import game.

 

[I like to watch]

Can you explain the massive influx of kids in years 9 and 10 in 2010,2011?
The coaching at the School has improved them so much, that now many are paying 1st XV.

 

[RUGBYGIRL11]

Can you explain the massive influx of kids in years 9 and 10 in 2010,2011?
The coaching at the School has improved them so much, that now many are paying 1st XV.

What is this "massive influx"? Who are the "many"? Do you guys think that if you say it often enough it will make it come true.

All I ever see here are a whole lot of rumours and third hand accounts of countless nameless boys who are supposedly on rugby scholarships or were offered rugby scholarships.

It's a real shame that there is such a racist undertone to all this as talk of New and "imports" pretty much always involves boys who have darker skin.

Over 30 new boys started in Year 9 in 2010. The places were publicly advertised in 2009 and enrolments closed in April 2009 - when most of the boys were 13.

And because 2 out of 30 boys turned out to be good rugby players, New are suddenly the biggest "importers" in GPS history.

But you are right about the coaching. Under guys like Brad Gill, James Godfrey, Andrew Hill and Tim Rapp, and with lots of hard work, a player like Alan Latinupulu can go from 4ths in 2011 to 1sts in 2012.

But enough about New ...... lets talk about the 200 bursary boys at Riverview. Are we seriously expected to believe that this secretive program doesn't include any talented rugby players ?????

 

[I like to watch]

List your 1st XV and the year they joined the School, that will clear it up one way or the other.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

That will not identify any boys on sports scholarships since year 7.

Some kids parents can only afford two/three years at a GPS School, so they send their boys in Senior College only.

Publishing the year started with the school is not a true indicator of scholarship rorting.

 

[I like to watch]

Those in that boat invariably send them in year 11.
It is not usual to move schools in 9 and 10 unless you have relocated.
There were 5 or 6 elite rugby players join in year 9 a few years ago(After the June State champs).Several more last year in year 10.
HJ surely you are aware of an anniversary year next year?
Nothing wrong with a bit of forward planning I suppose.

 

[RUGBYGIRL11]

List your 1st XV and the year they joined the School, that will clear it up one way or the other.

Let's do that for Riverview, Joeys, Kings, Scots and Riverview. Might open a few eyes to the real "importers".

 

[I like to watch]

Lets do that.
you first!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

You gotta be joking. Boys who were booked in at New when they were 11 and spend all six years of high school at New are now "imports". I guess New's success can now be put down to the masterful talent spotting abilities of the rugby staff - they can pick a Champion at age 11, give them a scholarship and six years and $250,000 later get a Champion "import" !!

Reminds me of 2010 when Joel Luani was called an import despite his father and uncle both attending New.

Let's try something different and talk about Riverview and their 200 Old Boys "bursary" boys. These guys are the masters of the import game.

I am not joking. I have direct first hand knowledge of the 11 year olds plucked from the NSWPSSA side of 2010 to attend Newington and 1 at Kings for that matter!


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[Inside Shoulder]

Let's do that for Riverview, Joeys, Kings, Scots and Riverview. Might open a few eyes to the real "importers".

view do it: and I think it's a great idea.....satisfied me that there was unlikely to be wholesale importation at year 10 or above going on at SIC.


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[Inside Shoulder]

What is this "massive influx"? Who are the "many"? Do you guys think that if you say it often enough it will make it come true.

All I ever see here are a whole lot of rumours and third hand accounts of countless nameless boys who are supposedly on rugby scholarships or were offered rugby scholarships.

It's a real shame that there is such a racist undertone to all this as talk of New and "imports" pretty much always involves boys who have darker skin.

Over 30 new boys started in Year 9 in 2010. The places were publicly advertised in 2009 and enrolments closed in April 2009 - when most of the boys were 13.

And because 2 out of 30 boys turned out to be good rugby players, New are suddenly the biggest "importers" in GPS history.

But you are right about the coaching. Under guys like Brad Gill, James Godfrey, Andrew Hill and Tim Rapp, and with lots of hard work, a player like Alan Latinupulu can go from 4ths in 2011 to 1sts in 2012.

But enough about New .. lets talk about the 200 bursary boys at Riverview. Are we seriously expected to believe that this secretive program doesn't include any talented rugby players ?????

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You will find all of them named at about this time of year in 2011 earlier in this thread. Hell, if you troubled to inform yourself by reading others posts you'd realise that in the last week I named one of them - of course he's out injured - being the only whose name I remembered off the top of my head. But since your overly defensive tone has got me thinking: I think there were 3 boys drafted from Randwick BHS - does wonders for fostering the game in the non elite schools!
You missed the start of this party.


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[smokinjoe]

Aloys put the year of joining the school next to the player's name in their programmes.
It particularly upset Trinity who thought that it was a dig at their scholarship recipients - they were right! (Trinity still won though)

 

[I like to watch]

Great idea, wonder how they got their joining dates?
particularly if the other school was sensitive to the issue.
Wouldn't that be embarrassing for Rugbygirl, if Grammar was to follow this lead!

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Forcing the issue about publishing the school joining date will cause two things to happen:

1. Scholarship funders will have to stump up for $ to scholarship boys from yr 7 or yr 8. ie the talent scouts will be out to award scholarships to 11 year old boys.

2. Boys who legitimately join a school late on full fees will be singled out as potential scholarship cheats.

Joining late may be due to limited funds from parents/grandparents, or may be due to legitimate interstate or international movement.

As said earlier, this is not a true indicator of the AAGPS athletic scholarship rule rorting.

 

[I like to watch]

Forcing the issue about publishing the school joining date will cause two things to happen:

1. Scholarship funders will have to stump up for $ to scholarship boys from yr 7 or yr 8. ie the talent scouts will be out to award scholarships to 11 year old boys.

2. Boys who legitimately join a school late on full fees will be singled out as potential scholarship cheats recipients.

Joining late may be due to limited funds from parents/grandparents, or may be due to legitimate interstate or international movement.

As said earlier, this is not a true indicator of the AAGPS athletic scholarship rule rorting.

1) so what? I actually think it has more merit educating a kid from year 7, rather than parachuting them in year 10 or 11.
2) fixed.

HJ everybody accepts that there is occasional movement between schools, however when one or two schools in particular have a much higher incidence, it can only mean one thing.
From your comments I assume you will be shocked if you saw the start dates for at least one of these Schools.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

ILTW,

I have been around junior footy and schools footy for that long that not much can shock me anymore.

I am constantly amused by the many subtle, and not so subtle, attempts to rort the various rules that are attempted by various parties. The most amusing factor is that the belief that they will not get found out, and that they are the only ones to have EVER thought of that particular rort.

I have coached, administrated, refereed, spectated, barbequed, fund raised and trivia nighted for so long that I think I have witnessed, or heard every possible rort or excuse under the sun to avoid doing the right thing.

I know the schools you are referring to and in some respects good on them. Until the AAGPS competition rules are actually enforced, then the rorting of that particular clause in the AAGPS Code of Practice will continue.

No inducements such as sporting scholarships, whether direct, disguised, or at arm's length, shall be offered by any member school. Financial assistance to talented sportsmen shall not form part of the enrolment strategy of any member school.

Either the AAGPS Headmasters need to amend the Code of Practice or enforce it.