Australian Schoolboys & National Championships 2013

[Lee Grant]

It's fairly well covered:

If one of the 9s or 10s get injured the other one can cover them.

If the 12 gets hurt Deegan, has played there.

If the 13 goes down Hutchison comes on.

If Kellaway gets injured at 15, Jones can move from the wing and Milne play there with Hutchison playing 13 - or Hutchison could go straight to Jones' spot on the wing.

Something similar happens if a winger is injured.

It's all covered – the problem is if there are two injuries in the backline, but that is always the case and it's why scrummies who can play another position at any level, are so valuable.
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[Hugh Jarse]

Take a leaf from the Dingo.

In the event that the backline goes down like the flies of BILv Wobs at Lang Park, do we have any back rowers that can run at 12 or 13?

 

[Rugby Winner]

Yes. Rahboni Warren-Vosayaco has played most of his rugby years as #12 for school and club and only this year moved into the forwards and making an impact. So he could be another option if need be.

 

[The Great Bagsby]

Who do we believe the starting 10 will be?

 

[Lee Grant]

I thought that Deegan was more impressive than Third during the week, though he was behind a better pack than Third was.
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[Lee Grant]

Yes. Rahboni Warren-Vosayaco has played most of his rugby years as #12 for school and club and only this year moved into the forwards and making an impact. So he could be another option if need be.

I forgot him: he played 12 for CHS II last year.
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[I like to watch]

I thought that Deegan was more impressive than Third during the week, though he was behind a better pack than Third was.
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Really?
I was disappointed with how Deegan played.
He is clearly the best tackler of all the 10's.But that is all IMO.
He wasn't just behind a better pack he was surrounded by the entire OZ starting lineup bar 1 winger.

 

[Lee Grant]

Really?
I was disappointed with how Deegan played.
He is clearly the best tackler of all the 10's.But that is all IMO.
He wasn't just behind a better pack he was surrounded by the entire OZ starting lineup bar 1 winger.

I guess we are both entitled to have different opinions from each other, and other people.

I thought that Deegan tackled and ran with the ball better than Third, but that Third was very good and the best Qld I player after Wilkin.

Not that Deegan had a kick at goal, but Third is the better goal-kicker; however that is irrelevant with Jones and Kellaway in the side.

Obviously the selectors thought a lot of both players otherwise they wouldn't have picked both of them in the Ones whereas I thought that Delore (when playing flyhalf), chosen in the Twos, was better than both of them – as much as one can tell with his playing in a lesser team.

I thought that Delore had a good chance to be picked in the Ones instead of either Third or Deegan, because he looked good enough as a fullback to play in the team as a specialist 15 (as well as being qualified to play as a specialist 10).

That would solve the problem of what to do if the fullback was injured, as mentioned in a previous post – and avoid the dislocation of players moving around to accommodate his replacement.

But I digress – yep, I thought that Deegan was better than Third; you didn't, and that is fine with me.
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[Inside Shoulder]

I liked the look of Deegan - seems to have a very mature idea of how a 10 should play: there's no need (and a positive reason not) to overplay his own hand when he has such firepower outside him.

I would always take the 10 who promotes those around him at the expense of his own game.

Having said that I did not see the other blokes so I am not making a statement of comparisons.

 

[Newbie]

I know its off the Topic however Milne, Moeroa, Lussick and Taylor are all acquitting themselves very well at the ASSRL championship in Cairns. All except Lussick have had MOTM games.

With the exception of Taylor I cannot fathom why the other three would risk injury by playing in this tournament after an arduous ASRU championship the week before, and jeopardise their respective ASRU team positions!

Their bodies need the rest; its @#&* madness IMHO! Probably chasing their $3-5K contractual bonuses, however a bird in the hand is always worth two in the bush.

 

[Newbie]

I am a Deegan-ite! Solid player.

 

[Rugby Winner]

Their bodies need the rest; its @#&* madness IMHO! Probably chasing their $3-5K contractual bonuses, however a bird in the hand is always worth two in the bush.

Totally agree. It's madness.

 

[Runner]

I know its off the Topic however Milne, Moeroa, Lussick and Taylor are all acquitting themselves very well at the ASSRL championship in Cairns. All except Lussick have had MOTM games.

With the exception of Taylor I cannot fathom why the other three would risk injury by playing in this tournament after an arduous ASRU championship the week before, and jeopardise their respective ASRU team positions!

Their bodies need the rest; its @#&* madness IMHO! Probably chasing their $3-5K contractual bonuses, however a bird in the hand is always worth two in the bush.

Perhaps before Lussick went to his present school he played RL as does his oldder brother. Taylor has probably decided that union will not have a place for him and he is taking the best option he has available. The other two may see that RL has a clear pathway than does RU. Keep your options open.

Though I agree with Rugby Winners comments.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Perhaps before Lussick went to his present school he played RL as does his oldder brother. Taylor has probably decided that union will not have a place for him and he is taking the best option he has available. The other two may see that RL has a clear pathway than does RU. Keep your options open.

Though I agree with Rugby Winners comments.

Don't know Taylor but the other 3 are committed to loig next year.
Newbie there's no point looking for a rational explanation as to why anyone plays loig, ever!


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[Lee Grant]

A lot of boys from Qld and NSW play both games - or have.

If they want to play professionally, like both games equally and perform in them with equal proficiency, they would realise that they have a better chance to play pro league because there are three times as many pro teams in that code and many more than that, semi-pro.

And why not get a few K that they can't get in union? They can always come back to union if they don't make it in league in U/20s, or or even if they do make it.

It's harder the other way around.
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[Brian Westlake]

Mr Hands, I hope fairness comes into it too. I remain unconvinced about Cronan as a selector, I ask again, has he ever coached a 1st XV or rep team in any competition of note?? I was working in Sydney in 2006 when Q2 won the competition the first time and found an excuse to get out to Riverview "on a client visit" in time for the final. I stayed and watched the teams announced and felt the same as you did, that the dominant team would be rewarded, after all Q2 had now defeated Kurtley's NSW1 and overcome NSW2 in the pressure of a final. Q2 got a pat on the head with a couple in the Schools and a couple in the A's and so did NSW2 get a couple in ( they had beaten Quade's Q1 ) but the overwhelming bulk of the squads were from Q1 and NSW1. Fair - ?? You tell me. I reckon you're a bigger chance to see Panda triplets. Maybe it proves that a team is more than the sum of its parts.

ME, Glen Cronan is more than equipped to select and coach. If a little research is done, you would find that Mr Cronan was MIC Rugby @ Nudgee and has now moved to Ipswich Grammer. A fine man, a good man and has the passion of Rugby running through his veins. I respect his view on players immensely and he has tremendous support from lads that he has had dealings with. More equipped as a selector than some others. I hope that is a help for you?

 

[Lee Grant]

I don't know Mr Cronan but was looking up some old ASRU Newsletters this morning and found out that he has been involved for yonks as manager of Oz Schools and no doubt as a selector in that time.

That makes him qualified in my eyes — and I hope that nobody calls into question the selection credentials of Pat Langtry.

Don't go there.
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[Brian Westlake]

Sorry Inside but I watched all the games and I like to support the Smaller Schools with their lads playing. This Winger was playing out of position to begin with as he is a natural right but was playing on the left as the coach wanted it that way. He played well with the limited opportunities that came out his way, but still managed to score in nearly every game. Including Monday's game where in the first 5 minutes he scored a beautiful solo length field try and 4 defenders missed him, he then unselfishly made a beautiful break and instead of running over the defender to score himself, he passed it to Kellaway to get the try. This same lad smashed Kellaway going over to score 3 tries against Scots College last year in a Trial game with his School Team.

Union don't want this lad and others and that's fine but its Union's loss and NRL Gain. This lad will be training with 1st grade NRL next year and will be having a wonderful time. His Manager, I have been told has already been fighting off other NRL Clubs that want this Athletic, fast, strong winger as this lad can also play numerous positions in the backline.
He has his photo up already for his NRL Club and is in the starting team for his Holden Cup.

His Disappointment might have vanished slightly now as the Beautiful hot Barney, sunny weather in Cairns, combined with first class Accommodation I hear and a Beautiful Swimming Pool and playing NRL for Australian Selection up there and fitting in with his team doing some sight seeing, sounds too good.

The Australia Teams have been now been picked. No use going over old ground. Wishing both Teams Success and all the Lads as well.

By what you have just said, it seems as though the boy was only going to go mungo anyway.

 

[Brian Westlake]

Really?
I was disappointed with how Deegan played.
He is clearly the best tackler of all the 10's.But that is all IMO.
He wasn't just behind a better pack he was surrounded by the entire OZ starting lineup bar 1 winger.

If that be the case he has done his job. Taking the right options for his outside men at nigh on all opportunities. If YOU had the likes of Kellaway, Jones etal running outside you, wouldn't you do the same?
I would shovel it out there as quick as humanly possible, and then run like hell to keep up and take the inside pass hoping for the meat pie. I think that you are more than a tad harsh on Deegan. For a start, he can pass both ways confidently and proficiently, which put him in front of every other 10 I saw over the last week and few years as well.

 

[Lee Grant]

Are we talking about Charlie Taylor?

I saw all the Div I games and I thought he was unlucky.

Jones was always going to be one of the wingers and I can't argue against Henley who looked really promising.

I would have had Charlie in the Oz Two side ahead of Davis, not that he was shabby.