Coaching Options for Qld Rugby

[Scoey]

13,000. I can't remember when the crowd figure was lower. I think it was the Cheetahs saturday day game where they still pulled 14,000 in 2007? That figure surely is the nail in the coffin. I still can't believe they have to wait. no waste another 2 games to see this bloke can't coach a horse to water.

Wiki says that game was attended by 12,500 but that surprises me.

13,000 is disturbingly low and when you consider its a derby game it's even more so.

 

[Floggn']

Wiki says that game was attended by 12,500 but that surprises me.

13,000 is disturbingly low and when you consider its a derby game it's even more so.

Consider that Qld had been the doldrems for 4 years in 2007 and it was a Saturday afternoon game and a very lowly Saffa team gives you an indication of how bad Saturday nights crowd figure was for Qld rugby. The real indicator is when you can't even get people to fill a corporate box!
Yes I know all you blokes/ladies would go..

 

[Strewthcobber]

I was at the game and while it seemed smaller than NSW the week before I have a hard time believing the gate was that low. Doesn't seem to have been officially published anywhere though so I guess it's possible.

Lions gate is going to be horrendus

 

[Floggn']

There was no one on the Caxton side stand. Wayne Smith released the figures. NSW I thought easily had double the crowd.

 

[Strewthcobber]

There was no one on the Caxton side stand. Wayne Smith released the figures. NSW I thought easily had double the crowd.

That's where I was! Maybe hard to get a feel from there then.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Tatsy coached Taps, Simmonds, Slipper & Parkaka at TSS.

Let's just get them to bell him incessantly. Reds picking up the international charges.

 

[Tomikin]

I was at the game and while it seemed smaller than NSW the week before I have a hard time believing the gate was that low. Doesn't seem to have been officially published anywhere though so I guess it's possible.

Lions gate is going to be horrendus

Mate it has been published on foxsports, in one of their video... plus I was at the game 13056 on the big screen.. it was small

 

[sunnyboys]

Jim Tucker confirmed for me it was 22,537

 

[Strewthcobber]

Jim Tucker confirmed for me it was 22,537

That seems a bit more like it. In any case I reckon we'll test those low numbers against the Lions.

 

[formerflanker]

Does anybody know what RG's coaching strengths and weaknesses are? If we could get a handle on his technical skills, game planning, and man-management then we could see past the poor results in a way I assume the Board are doing.

 

[Scrubber2050]

RG certainly seems to have survived in the short term.

I reckon he is done even if the Reds win the majority of remaining games.

It would be unlikely a 3 year contract would be on the table irrespective of the balance of 2015

 

[gel]

The only logical reason I can think of why he has not been fired as of this moment is that the reds have not found a suitable caretaker coach candidate who is willing to take the job on.

Unfortunate, if that is the case.

 

[Scrubber2050]

The bloke from Bond Pirates Under 14's would be happy to take on the role in a caretaker capacity

 

[TheBigDog]

This thread probably needs to be shut soon. The last few pages have turned into a speculative whinge fest about why RG isn't gone yet rather than discussing viable options for coaches in 2016 (the most likely scenario now as it doesn't seem like RG is moving before then).

The Reds 2015 and any Reds match thread post-game is already full of this kind of sorrow, I don't think we need another thread just reiterating it all.

 

[kiap]

While I don't agree the thread should be shut, it has turned into a whinge fest.

Discussion of the Reds' coaching options, speculative or otherwise, is a legitimate topic.

If you don't like the moaning, respond with a counterpoint. The moaner under Rule 10 will soon enough have to redirect that moan into a new slightly different direction — maybe even discussing future coaching options — or be hammered.

It's better, however, to collect it all (or largely all) into one thread - to leave at least some clean air in the rugby discussions elsewhere.

 

[Brendan Hume]

Needless to say I did not above endorse White's manner of departing the Brumbies, but that doesn't mean the man did not possess impressive coaching and franchise-building qualities of a type which have endured post his departure, which he clearly did/does.

He always said he was at the Brums for only 3 years in all likelihood and that his successors would come from the Assistant Coaches he'd appointed.

The point I made was principally that White very clearly appointed excellent support coaches of a sufficient calibre to be able to succeed him and manage the Brumbies well. Fisher and Larkham are no 'yes men' either. That people chosen by a leader to support him and the team can go on to very competently lead themselves when their time comes typically reflects somewhat positively on the person choosing them in the first place.

This is all in major contrast to what happened at the Reds 2011-12 and beyond. Link's key-to-success coaching team of 2010-11 soon broke up after 2011 (and none remain as at 2015) and Link's/QRU's chosen successor has been a serious failure.

You seem determined to hang the shit performance of the Reds around Link's neck. The Reds won the Aussie conference in 2012 despite a pretty shit year, and were second in the Aussie conference (5th overall) in 2013. What more do you want the bloke to do? He's been gone for ages, build a bridge...

 

[RedsHappy]

^^^

'Whinge fest' is of course in part a derogatory term, but I offer this:

A broad debate re 'QLD coaching options' in my view legitimately can and should embrace an analysis - bolstered by different perspectives - as to the real reasons QLD Super coaching is in the mess it is in, why it got into that sorry state, and the blockages and/or realistic opportunities for that state of being to change. Further too, a discussion of where and how to improve upon the last flawed Super-level coaching selection process and procedure.

All these contextual, background and institutional issues bear upon the nature of 'future coaching options' and how those options will be or won't be realised and why.

If GAGR adopts a very restrictive policy regarding the precise content of more broadly-based rugby discussion threads such as this one, one of the golden attributes of this place could slowly dissipate, namely the excellent range of perspectives on rugby matters mixing passion, intelligence and new insight of a type never, ever encountered in the mainstream rugby media.

 

[gel]

This thread probably needs to be shut soon. The last few pages have turned into a speculative whinge fest about why RG isn't gone yet rather than discussing viable options for coaches in 2016 (the most likely scenario now as it doesn't seem like RG is moving before then).

The Reds 2015 and any Reds match thread post-game is already full of this kind of sorrow, I don't think we need another thread just reiterating it all.

if someone posts something like:

I have just heard mail that the QRU have told RG that he is basically safe for the remainder of the season until his contract expires/runs out.

11 long rounds to go for some of you !

Followed by several posts discussing WHY HE SHOULD STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON, don't be surprised when others respond with why they think he should not.

 

[Cat_A]

I'm now expecting him to serve out his contract (they'll have to pay him anyway, and it's only a few more months) but bring in another coach as part of a 'succession plan' or some crap. Whatever it's called, you can be sure the press release will contain so many convoluted weasel words it'll sound like it was written by Robbie Deans himself.

We'll all know that RG has been (for all intents and purposes) turfed, but face will be saved, contracts will not need paying out, and we can buy more time for the next guy - after all, he 'won't have been able to choose his own recruits, so really he should be given another year or so of poor performance before he becomes accountable'. Or something.

 

[RedsHappy]

You seem determined to hang the shit performance of the Reds around Link's neck. The Reds won the Aussie conference in 2012 despite a pretty shit year, and were second in the Aussie conference (5th overall) in 2013. What more do you want the bloke to do? He's been gone for ages, build a bridge.

Not at all. If you encountered any of my posts here in 2010-12 you'd know how highly and consistently I applauded Link's role in the revival of the Reds, QLD rugby and the QRU's fortunes.

Having believed and said all that, I have always had a rugby and broader interest in how individual triumphs in sport or business are turned into a more systemic, institutionally strong processes that can convert such triumphs into longer term, enduring successes that repeat and ultimately become highly robust organisations that are thus 'built to last' and in fact do last and last well.

The above description could hardly be best used to characterise large tracts of the recent histories of the NSW and QLD RUs.

In the case of Link and the QRU, I am indeed very critical of the degree to which post-2011 these parties went about ensuring that 2011's triumph was converted into a whole system of elite rugby coaching and related internal cultures that were indeed built to last and maintain generally high coaching standards. The QRU was more to blame than Link, but IMO Link still had a key role in this (others here clearly debate that and hold a different view).

(A btw: yes, in 2012 and 2013 our Reds entered the S15 QFs. But, notably, both against the Sharks and the Crusaders respectively they played poorly, went no further, and were a mere shadow of the dynamic, powerful well-coached skills and team work they displayed throughout 2010-11. Indeed, I'd argue that the Reds' general quality of that 2010-11 period was only ever seen again in a handful of games in 2012 and 2013, namely the wins against the Chiefs and the Tahs in those years.)