Sydney Rays .. NRC Team Official Thread

[I like to watch]

Played way more thirds than twos or ones......

 

[Dave Beat]

Yes and left when he wasn't making first grade.
If I recall even last years Marlins 7s

 

[Dave Beat]

Played way more thirds than twos or ones..

Your memory serves you well - pity those people interstate who dont have the benefit of following the comp as closely as us. Yes alot of time in 3s and a bit of 2s.

 

[AussieDominance]

I am pretty sure Sione played a lot of First Grade in 2012 (take a look at all the articles in 2012 on google, a round 6 article indicates he had been in good form and he was still there round 9) at Manly and then went back to league in 2013. Went back to Manly in 2014 and didn't get graded that highly as indicated (Manly had a serious roster in 2014 a lot better than 2015 in my opinion) so chose to pursue his career at Gordon. Before 2012 he was with the Sea Eagles U20.

Played Marlins 7s in pre - season 2014.

 

[Rugby Mum]

2015 Macquarie University North Harbour Emerging Rays

1. Sean DILLON (Gordon)
2. Sam KITCHEN (Norths)
3. Sio TATOLA (Manly)
4. Andrew DAVIES (Warringah)
5. Jack DAVIES (Norths)
6. Kerry SIMPSON (Manly)
7. Taylor FRANCIS (Norths)
8. Tim POYNTING (Warringah)
9. Pat CURTIN (Gordon)
10. Jerry LEMALU (Warringah)
11. Tom McMILLAN (Warringah)
12. Tommy GILBERT (Norths)
13. Sebastian WILEMAN (Warringah)
14. Lachie CREAGH (Norths)
15. Kurtis QUINN (Gordon)

Bench
Ash GODDARD (Gordon)
Scott WHITE (Manly)
Jack PREECE (Norths)
James LOUGH (Gordon)

Head Coach: Matt NILAN (Norths)
Assistant Coaches: Ed DOYLE (Warringah), Joel RIVERS (Norths), David TELFER (Gordon)

And a couple more Squad of 26 /28

 

[AussieDominance]

And a couple more Squad of 26 /28

The players not in the match day squad for the senior side are placed into the Emerging Rays side that's the reason for the small squad.

 

[Rugby Mum]

The players not in the match day squad for the senior side are placed into the Emerging Rays side that's the reason for the small squad.

James Wilkinson
Jakob Sedgman (unavailable next round)

Are both in the squad. Last week about 30 players were involved in the game against Sydney Stars, beside the full squad of The Harbour Rays team.

 

[Dave Beat]

I am pretty sure Sione played a lot of First Grade in 2012 (take a look at all the articles in 2012 on google, a round 6 article indicates he had been in good form and he was still there round 9) at Manly and then went back to league in 2013. Went back to Manly in 2014 and didn't get graded that highly as indicated (Manly had a serious roster in 2014 a lot better than 2015 in my opinion) so chose to pursue his career at Gordon. Before 2012 he was with the Sea Eagles U20.

Played Marlins 7s in pre - season 2014.

rushed job last night


Yes i was sure i recall him when i took the drive up to Lake Mac sevens last year (Marlins won .

BUT

1. Why have we picked from outa area when we have some good 12's to choose from?
2. Who is head coach at Rays & head coach at Gordon?

I said above i hate singling out a player in a team sport, and i do recall i enjoyed his rugby back in '12.

A bit on 2012

• Played 10 games mostly on the wing if i recall (goal kicking was a huge plus), Woodhouse was at the back for 2015 as BJ had dodgey ankle (I don't think Sione started all 10 though).
• With Hooper, and Siale spent time on the wing & Woodhouse had game time on the wing also.
• Back 3 got mixed around a bit that year as well.

Manly's roster - yes serious I agree and that is all i was saying, he'd struggle to get out of 3's (this year as well), I enjoyed watching him play. My sole point was that there are / were better 1st grade players around than him that went elsewhere because a coach possibly promised positions - that shouldn't be on best players picked is what matters.

Reece is an awesome second 5, possibly a better first 5, and he's playing 15 so Hill can play at Gordon next year. Having watched a fair bit of Shute Shield it should be Feltcheer or BJ in the 15;

• Their natural read of the game at the back has them being involved, this comes with game time, and reading play / players / combinations.
• It is a different natural read in the front line, the vision is completely different / as is the time to think.

Lets look back over some past known players, Larkam is the only player that i recall that successfully shifted between 15 & 10 - wasn't a shift - he relocated. All I am saying is they are different positions with different game reads, and we had 2 x very good 15's.

 

[Train Without a Station]

It's not conceivable that Hodge is playing 15 so the 12 from the Shute Shield Premiers can play 12?

 

[Dave Beat]

It's not conceivable that Hodge is playing 15 so the 12 from the Shute Shield Premiers can play 12?

Q. Well why isn't Hill playing for the Rams then???
A. Because Townsend promised him a start, and wants him at Gordon.

No where above have i said Hill isn't a good player.


I have alluded to the issue of;

• A coach selecting out of area players so they come to his club.
• I have said we have some very good 12's.
• You said pick first graders, i said no problem but this selection of an out area player has had a domino effect on some very good first grade & and rep players.

TWAS - TWAS right back to your Rising team that is made up of out of area players, concentrate on developing your own and growing those numbers. Am i correct in understanding Dewar only has 5 colts teams in the comp?

http://www.rugbylink.com.au/common/...px?gradeid=18100_1&seasonid=93&entityid=53044

5 colts teams doesn't seem to be a conspiracy in that link - how have Rebels / Rising developed that since 2011.

It is about development, and growing grass roots - again, Rays shouldn't select from outa area. Aussie D and the others from within the Rays faithful are all on the money, and speak with knowledge - you however are not

 

[I like to watch]

It's not conceivable that Hodge is playing 15 so the 12 from the Shute Shield Premiers can play 12?

What is the driver for the 4 SS clubs to contribute their money to fund the Rays?
I thought it was to develop/assist their players?Not as a recruitment tool for the current coach in his other role in SS.

I there was a hole that needed filling to make the squad competitive,I would support it.
But in this case,there is a strong argument that Hodge,whose excellent form this year was rewarded with a Rebels contract, is a better option than a one dimensional journeyman Hill.

 

[neilc]

rushed job last night


Lets look back over some past known players, Larkam is the only player that i recall that successfully shifted between 15 & 10 - wasn't a shift - he relocated. All I am saying is they are different positions with different game reads, and we had 2 x very good 15's.

Beauden Barrett has made the move pretty well, and Colin Slade can interchange, but I agree that often it is a difficult transition - one requires speed, broken field running and last line of defence, the other requires distribution and setting up other players.

 

[Dave Beat]

Beauden Barrett has made the move pretty well, and Colin Slade can interchange, but I agree that often it is a difficult transition - one requires speed, broken field running and last line of defence, the other requires distribution and setting up other players.

Cheers, not fair, not only do the Kiwis have enough depth and back up in each position, they also have players that can play outa position with aplomp.

 

[Train Without a Station]

It is about development, and growing grass roots - again, Rays shouldn't select from outa area. Aussie D and the others from within the Rays faithful are all on the money, and speak with knowledge - you however are not

Really? I thought it was about creating a professional competition structure similar to the ITM Cup and Currie Cup.

As far as I'm aware ITM and Currie teams certainly recruit outside of their own regions.

These are supposed to be professional teams and structures. Not local rep teams. They're developing teams for a competition, not picking an all-american style team.

ILTW I understand your point but I imagine the driver for the teams to put money into the competition is to maintain relevance and invest in their future. Is there a financial future in the Shute Shield? I'd say no. Before the NRC this had been on a commercial decline had it not?

 

[Dave Beat]

Serious -

• tell me how the Shute or the Dewar competes with the NRC. They are 2 different comps.
• as is the ITM in NZ.

They both start after the Super Season.
Yes professional teams, and that is the way they should be run - that is my concern, and I have clearly explained why above.

If the Shute is in trouble - shit what about the Dewar. 5 Colts teams coming through shit all work has been done there over the past 4 years if there are only 5 teams (I say look at the scoreboard to see the result). Oh but lets not worry the Shute (NSW) & Premier (QLD) will keep feeding us. Serious go plant seeds and water your own backyard.

I have work to do.

 

[I like to watch]

Really? I thought it was about creating a professional competition structure similar to the ITM Cup and Currie Cup.

As far as I'm aware ITM and Currie teams certainly recruit outside of their own regions.

These are supposed to be professional teams and structures. Not local rep teams. They're developing teams for a competition, not picking an all-american style team.

ILTW I understand your point but I imagine the driver for the teams to put money into the competition is to maintain relevance and invest in their future. Is there a financial future in the Shute Shield? I'd say no. Before the NRC this had been on a commercial decline had it not?

My understanding is that these clubs are investing,as they perceive that if they don't provide a pathway,talented players will gravitate to those clubs that do.
Recruiting out of area players that don't significantly strengthen the squad,is contrary to that aim.
As is signing players from the current coach's SS club that are not up to the standard required.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Dave are you still pissing and moaning about the fact that your players leave the Marlins to make a professional living at the Rebels?

Fuck the Rebels. Let's just see them go overseas instead.

 

[Train Without a Station]

My understanding is that these clubs are investing,as they perceive that if they don't provide a pathway,talented players will gravitate to those clubs that do.
Recruiting out of area players that don't significantly strengthen the squad,is contrary to that aim.
As is signing players from the current coach's SS club that are not up to the standard required.

Yes I agree with your point. When players are choosing a club where do they go, the club that has 3 players a year contracted at the higher level out of their squads, or the one that has 1 player every 3 years.

But at the same time the aim is to perform in that competition as well. It's not closed recruitment or zoned recruitment. Are we really making a huge issue because 1 player was recruited from a club outside that teams region.

How have you guys felt about the Waratahs recruiting Barnes, Potgeiter, Chapman, McKibbin, Lucas, Lance, etc. if that's the case?

 

[I like to watch]

I'm pretty dark about the Tahs recruiting Barnes,NcKibbon & Lance actually!
Which is pretty much in line with my disagreement about signing Hill. I'm pragmatic enough to accept you have to field the best possible squad.
I just don't think Hill adds any value.by signing him,they have basically shunted Hodge to 15, as a result of that & the ludicrous decision to sign Ala.
Both Hartmann & Jones had to play elsewhere.
How is Jones going so far?
And we now have an untested 15 starting for the rest of the competition.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Was Jones given no opportunity at the Rays, or did he take a better one at the Stars though?

There's a lot of speculation and Chinese whispers.