Bledisloe 1 - Wallabies vs All Blacks, ANZ Stadium, Sydney, 8:05pm

[Viking]

I think it is the point. He can only get caught out in defence at 13 if he defends there. Folau is always going to defend at the back for the Wobs. For the rest of his career. Longer. Making his defence at 13 an issue in whether he runs there in attack is inventing an imaginary question. He's obviously our best 13 in attack. The question is which of his fullback replacements or his 13 alternatives adds the most.

You completely missed the point. if he lines up at 13 on attack he'll be caught defending there every-time on turnover ball. If you base it on a game like tonight, then he'll be defending the 13 channel 90% of the time.

Defence counts. Tonight a prime example.

 

[zer0]

Are we seeing a better all blacks and Richey Dan Nonu ect were holding them back ?

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Nah. The current team are reaping the (psychological) benefits that the Great One and his disciples cultivated over the past decade.

 

[HoldingOn]

Nah. The current team are reaping the (psychological) benefits that the Great One and his disciples cultivated over the past decade.

I think we are just seeing an increasingly shitty wallabies team

 

[Stevo]

 

[Dan54]

Well for a team under pressure, and losing all that experience, I think the All Blacks went alright!!

To be honest I didn't see much to feel positive from the Wallabies tonight, and I don't think I have ever said that before. Perhaps you need to get more players back from Europe.
In all honesty I can't for the life of me work out why the Australian players are so lazy off the ball!!

 

[Viking]

Are we seeing a better all blacks and Richey Dan Nonu ect were holding them back ?

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No. Wallabies were to blame for this one. Very passive in defence and attack. We made it easy for them.

 

[Istanbul]

Nah. The current team are reaping the (psychological) benefits that the Great One and his disciples cultivated over the past decade.

Sadly I don't think the ABs were that brilliant tonight- they were 800% better than the wallabies but I think there was 80 points for the taking tonight.

 

[footy1>31]

Moore should be dropped and Hooper made captain, to slow and doesn't even attempt to build any sense of rapport with the referee,.

 

[galumay]

The biggest problem is people's expectations, we have lost 3 tests against England, the 5 NZ Super 15 teams were all significantly better than any of the Australian teams, the AB's are the number one team in the world by a significant margin. They are bigger, better, faster, more skilled, more confident and the gap is bigger than its been for many years.

Most of the errors by Australia were caused by the incredible pressure, skill level and intensity of the AB's.

Changing players or coaches or strategies or anything else wont close that gap, we need to lower our expectations and understand the reasons for the gap between Australia and NZ - and that starts with the cultural differences and builds through schoolboy rugby into club rugby, provincial rugby and onwards.

I remember saying that any of the NZ Super teams would be a good chance of beating the Wallabies during the finals - any one of them would probably have scored more points tonite against the AB's - thats how big the gulf is.

I had no doubt the AB's would win, would have bet on it if the odds were worth it, i did have a lazy $100 on team A winning both halves, based on the expecatation that the AB's would very likely do so - and the odds were a very attractive 9-1. At least I will enjoy spending that on some quality booze to drown my sorrows!

Despite the pain of watching our national side in such dire straights, it is a pleasure to watch such a complete display by an amazing side. Congratulations to the AB's and commiserations to the Wobblies.

I just hope the public can manage their expectations and understand that we are simply not in the same class and likely wont be for many years if ever.

 

[The torpedo]

That was a fucking national disgrace
We have NO FUCKING SKILLS AT ALL!!!!!
Seriously, this game was a fucking embarrassment.
Drop the lot of them.
YOU ARE ALL PROFESSIONALS, SO HOLD ON TO THE FUCKING BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS DRIVEL SERVED UP BY THIS FUCKING TEAM.
WE CAN'T KICK, CAN'T PASS, CAN'T CATCH, CAN'T DO ANY-FUCKING-THING!!!!!!
They should all bugger off back to the NRC, because that is the only level where they would look competent at all.
Cheika and the coaching staff should all go back to the 3rd tier because that is the only level they would look competent at.
Cheika hasn't got the balls to dump his favourites such as Foley, Horne, Hooper, Kuridrani, Phipps, Simmons, Douglas, Moore among others.
No fucking accountability in Australian Rugby at all.
It's clear the losing the England series 3-0 hasn't given Cheika a fucking kick up the arse because he damn well deserves one.
The entire 23 (except the props because we have none, along with Pocock) needs to be dropped straight out of the 23.
Bring in Quade, Frisby, Kerevi, Mitchell, Hodge, Powell, Ready and others into the side. They might actually give a shit about playing for the wallabies
If we continue on this path, Australian Rugby will fold in 2020.

/rant
/overreaction

 

[TOCC]

You're right about the selections, but the caller also has to shoulder the blame. He called Hooper ffs.

Ah please, selections determine the calls, every Aussie jumper was marked up, it was a bloody good defensive lineout from New Zealand made easy given the Wallabies lack of option

 

[cyclopath]

Well, starting with probably Douglas and Pocock in the starting forwards, Genia, Folau and probably AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) in the backs, we need some minor miracles with the rest of it. Sure we can slot in alternatives, but if the lot that started were doing the best work at training, it's hard to see a big change. But I guess it has to happen, but probably not as many changes as that might suggest at once.
Of the reserves, Phipps did well on the wing, front rowers were OK, Mumm sort of OK (at least showed some drive, I guess, but I can't see him as a starter).
So:-
Slipper / TPN / Kepu (maybe)
Douglas / Simmons
Fardy / Pocock / Hooper
Genia / Cooper / AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) / Hodge / Kerevi / DHP / Folau

I guess another lock maybe, but I'm not sure it will improve us a lot.
Back row? Some will say Timani, but is that just trying something new? Was that our biggest problem - probably not. The lineout sucked, so that has to be a priority.
The backline changes kind of speak for themselves although the new combo above doesn't really scream "world beating" either, but we will have no alternative.
Blergggghhhhh!

 

[HoldingOn]

The biggest problem is people's expectations, we have lost 3 tests against England, the 5 NZ Super 15 teams were all significantly better than any of the Australian teams, the AB's are the number one team in the world by a significant margin. They are bigger, better, faster, more skilled, more confident and the gap is bigger than its been for many years.

Most of the errors by Australia were caused by the incredible pressure, skill level and intensity of the AB's.

Changing players or coaches or strategies or anything else wont close that gap, we need to lower our expectations and understand the reasons for the gap between Australia and NZ - and that starts with the cultural differences and builds through schoolboy rugby into club rugby, provincial rugby and onwards.

I remember saying that any of the NZ Super teams would be a good chance of beating the Wallabies during the finals - any one of them would probably have scored more points tonite against the AB's - thats how big the gulf is.

I had no doubt the AB's would win, would have bet on it if the odds were worth it, i did have a lazy $100 on team A winning both halves, based on the expecatation that the AB's would very likely do so - and the odds were a very attractive 9-1. At least I will enjoy spending that on some quality booze to drown my sorrows!

Despite the pain of watching our national side in such dire straights, it is a pleasure to watch such a complete display by an amazing side. Congratulations to the AB's and commiserations to the Wobblies.

I just hope the public can manage their expectations and understand that we are simply not in the same class and likely wont be for many years if ever.

I think the Force could have beaten the wallabies tonight

 

[Istanbul]

Kerevi needs to come in at 12 and Folau at 13 with DHP to 15

 

[Lorenzo]

Tim Horan regularly refers to Stephen Moore as an 'inspirational captain'. Leaving aside that he regularly falls out with the referee early in the match, I have no idea why anyone would say that unless they were good mates. This side went close to giving up.

 

[Viking]

Well for a team under pressure, and losing all that experience, I think the All Blacks went alright!!

To be honest I didn't see much to feel positive from the Wallabies tonight, and I don't think I have ever said that before. Perhaps you need to get more players back from Europe.
In all honesty I can't for the life of me work out why the Australian players are so lazy off the ball!!

Agreed. One of the worst performances I seen. Zero intensity. Combined with the normal lack of skill and execution.

But the intensity, usually always there in a Cheika team was non-existent.

Even players like Hooper and Poey who normally make dominate tackles looked weaker then usual.

I was shocked.

 

[cyclopath]

I'll have to go back and have a look but I thought it was Douglas...

Fardy was in the right but Douglas came around.

I thought he said another number - Douglas looked like he came through. Anyway, who cares?

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Mate to think that the ARU has the capacity to organise local espionage is laughably disconnected from reality.

Kiwis probably found a Nokia 6110 behind the couch and reacted like the chimps in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

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In some ways tonight's result helps with Case for change - 13 out of 15 Rwc players on field tonight.


Time for change - McMahon must come in I would have thought. McCallum bye for now.

No.13 needs a change - polite - kerevi start next test please.

Simmons - just go - need to find better solution than just playing non test standard lock.

Foley....hmmm... Not many backup options but cooper got to be in the mix





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[Viking]

Kerevi needs to come in at 12 and Folau at 13 with DHP to 15

Forward need to muscle-up. Backs can't do anything without a platform which was the norm tonight.

 

[The torpedo]

Well for a team under pressure, and losing all that experience, I think the All Blacks went alright!!

To be honest I didn't see much to feel positive from the Wallabies tonight, and I don't think I have ever said that before. Perhaps you need to get more players back from Europe.
In all honesty I can't for the life of me work out why the Australian players are so lazy off the ball!!

Positive 1: we scored points
Positive 2: N/A