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Wallabies v Springboks - Suncorp, Brisbane, 10th September 2016

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Braveheart81

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Will Genia (78)
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It's comes back to the classic hypothesis of many fans when the team is doing badly that the guy who hasn't failed yet at test level is a better option than the guy who you are selecting. When the incumbent player is being picked because they are consistently better at the level below (where you base your selections from).
 
Scrubber2050

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Mark Ella (57)
I just reread the definition of "insanity":)

No doubt the blind faithful will rally behind the Great One and we will win by 30
 
Braveheart81

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Scrubber2050 said:
I just reread the definition of "insanity":)

No doubt the blind faithful will rally behind the Great One and we will win by 30
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The idiom about doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results being the definition of insanity only really suits a binary situation though.

There are clearly far too many variables in team sport for that to apply though. Game plan, selections and execution by the players on the night all have a big effect. Arguably execution on the night has the biggest impact on the team performance and result and is also the hardest to directly control.

The idiom you cited could just as easily be applied to constantly mixing up the selections expecting the result to change as being the definition of insanity.

If there was an easy solution there wouldn't be so many varying opinions on what Cheika should do to fix things.
 
No4918

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John Hipwell (52)
Doesn't matter who played 7 and 8 in the tests verse NZ we still lose. Probably by more. So many issues that picking on those two without a genuine alternative is missing the bigger picture.

I'm not a rusted on Pooper fan and would change it for a better option. There isn't one though.
 
TGFan

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Stan Wickham (3)
I'm getting worried with the continued chat about Godwin about to make his debut. I read somewhere today that he is the frame to start. I know some people rate the fella and he is solid, not to knock the bloke but I've never seen a performance which screams pick me in the wallabies.
 
KOB1987

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John Eales (66)
TGFan said:
I'm getting worried with the continued chat about Godwin about to make his debut. I read somewhere today that he is the frame to start. I know some people rate the fella and he is solid, not to knock the bloke but I've never seen a performance which screams pick me in the wallabies.
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Foley will be starting at 12. Hodge is likely to be on one wing and Mitchell on the other, with no other candidates to cover the inside backs from the bench you'd think he'll be a chance to be in the 23 though unless they go with a 6:2 bench (highly possible).
 
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Me too, he has all the skills we need in an 8 now. Problem is he couldn't come to the party with the grunt work. He was given a lot of chances, even one by Cheika.
Maybe they should have persisted with him and he would have improved. He was good as a test six in the early days. We are letting a lot of players go offshore in their prime.
Higgers, Beale, To'omua and many others. There should be some planning to try and keep some of these blokes around.
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My biggest gripe is that Cheika gave Higgenbotham one chance as a Starting 8, hooked him after 45 minutes and we never saw him again.

Instead we've seen Mumm, an out of form Fardy, McCalman and hot&cold Pooper, and Palu get minutes in the 6/8 role.

What's even worse is Cheika's now opted for a structure that would suit Higgenbothams wide channel running - and he's not around to play.
 
Braveheart81

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Will Genia (78)
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Tip said:
My biggest gripe is that Cheika gave Higgenbotham one chance as a Starting 8, hooked him after 45 minutes and we never saw him again.

Instead we've seen Mumm, an out of form Fardy, McCalman and hot&cold Pooper, and Palu get minutes in the 6/8 role.

What's even worse is Cheika's now opted for a structure that would suit Higgenbothams wide channel running - and he's not around to play.
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He'd already signed to go overseas when he got that opportunity under Cheika.

He got plenty of opportunities under Deans and McKenzie and had his best games as a 6 rather than an 8. He was another part of the recurring theme we've had in the last few years between Palu, McCalman and Higginbotham where we struggled to get an 8 who was consistently good against top opposition.

Should Cheika have picked him throughout 2015 in the hope that he became a better test number 8 and then reneged on his agreement to play in Japan?
 
Scrubber2050

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Mark Ella (57)
I don't think Higgers fits the Wallabies as a Number 8.

Arguably it is the position we cannot, as yet, adequately fill
 
Lindommer

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Steve Williams (59)
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The 2017 version of Holloway's surely worth trying. If Cheika can get him running a bit closer to the ruck he'll be a goer.
 
Viking

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Mark Ella (57)
TGFan said:
I'm getting worried with the continued chat about Godwin about to make his debut. I read somewhere today that he is the frame to start. I know some people rate the fella and he is solid, not to knock the bloke but I've never seen a performance which screams pick me in the wallabies.
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Doesn't this go for half our squad. Or more?

McMahon probably the only one who screams "pick me" at super xv level consistently. Actually DHP this year too. No other stand-outs I can see.
 
Slim 293

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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Tip said:
My biggest gripe is that Cheika gave Higgenbotham one chance as a Starting 8, hooked him after 45 minutes and we never saw him again.
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He was given the opportunity and he put in a forgettable performance.......

The Fardy-Pooper was installed soon afterwards and there was no need for him in the squad.
 
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