Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Yeah... thats just messed up
I can accept a bill to the ATO, besides the taxpayer it doesn't directly impact individuals, but not paying superannuation is just a dog act
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Melbourne Rebels 2024
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I can accept a bill to the ATO, besides the taxpayer it doesn't directly impact individuals, but not paying superannuation is just a dog act
Rebel man
Jim Lenehan (48)
Because they could write it off against tax
Tazzmania
Charlie Fox (21)
1) You need to be making a profit to get any benefit.
2) The benefit is not the full amount, as it reduces your taxable amount by 100% of the amount but you only pay a percentage of tax on your taxable income in this case about 25%
3) Either way at the time of payment your cash outflow would need to be the full amount
Rebel man
Jim Lenehan (48)
Settle down champ, it was a joke
Tazzmania
Charlie Fox (21)
With just $17,000 in the bank, Rebels’ fate to be decided within weeks
Full Article from below:
The future of the Melbourne Rebels beyond the 2024 season will be known by early March after documents filed to the corporate regulator revealed the embattled Super Rugby franchise had only $17,300 in the bank.
The grim financial state of the Super Rugby franchise was laid bare in a creditors meeting held on Thursday, the minutes of which were filed to the Australian Securities and Investment Commission on Monday.
The Melbourne Rebels’ fate will be decided within the next few weeks.
The administrators agreed to meet again by March 4, when they will hand down a report determining whether the Rebels should be wound up.
Auditors from PwC appointed to investigate the club’s financials revealed the Rebels owe $11.6 million to the Australian Taxation Office, $5.7 million to board members, and $2.8 million to suppliers – which include sponsors that paid their fees upfront.
Adding to the list of debts is the $1.1 million in unpaid stadium fees, $720,000 owed to the State Revenue Office and $250,000 in superannuation owed to employees.
The seven-person Rebels board is demanding Rugby Australia cough up $8 million they say is owed to the club. They allege the governing body owes $6 million for underfunding the club over a number of years, and an additional $2 million to cover the cost of Rebels’ player wages while they were on Wallabies duties.
PwC’s Martin Ford, the administrator appointed as chair, said he would need to investigate these claims before – or if – any action could be taken.
But even if Rugby Australia fork out that money, the Rebels will need a big helping hand to pay off their remaining debt. Administrators said the club has just $17,300 left in the bank, and assets consisting of office furniture, gym equipment and two cars. The value of those assets are not known.
Rugby Australia has been contacted for comment.
‘It’s become about arguing’: Rebels fans in despair
The grim financial state has been a blow to the fans of the beloved Rebels, who are holding on to hope that the team can find a way through.
One of those fans, Rebels fanatic Lucas Hainsworth, said his identity was so strongly tied to the club that he “wouldn’t know how to express himself in another way” if the club were to collapse.
What the Melbourne Rebels owe
$11.6m owed to the Australian Taxation Office
$5.7m owed in loans
$2.8m owed to suppliers, including amounts advanced by sponsors
$1.1m owed to MOPT relating to unpaid stadium usage, plus an additional amount in relation to future lease liabilities under the existing agreement
$712k owed to the State Revenue Office in relation to unpaid payroll tax
“We’ve forgotten what the spectacle of rugby is. Fifteen [players] that love to compete for 80 hard minutes, and then after it give each other a hug and be a family together,” he said.
Adding to the frustration is the inability for spectators to purchase home ground tickets or Rebels memberships this season – with the first round just a week away.
The delay comes as Rugby Australia and the state government-operated Melbourne and Olympic Parks Trust continue to finalise an agreement on the cost for the use of AAMI Park.
Asked about this issue on Friday, and Rugby Australia boss Phil Waugh said:
“We can’t go on sale until we confirm the delivery of the ’24 season, and how we’re going to deliver it. [We’re having] very constructive conversations with the Victorian government and the [trust].”
He indicated they hoped to finalise the issue early this week.
The trust declined to comment, directing questions to Rugby Australia.
Full Article from below:
The future of the Melbourne Rebels beyond the 2024 season will be known by early March after documents filed to the corporate regulator revealed the embattled Super Rugby franchise had only $17,300 in the bank.
The grim financial state of the Super Rugby franchise was laid bare in a creditors meeting held on Thursday, the minutes of which were filed to the Australian Securities and Investment Commission on Monday.
The Melbourne Rebels’ fate will be decided within the next few weeks.
The administrators agreed to meet again by March 4, when they will hand down a report determining whether the Rebels should be wound up.
Auditors from PwC appointed to investigate the club’s financials revealed the Rebels owe $11.6 million to the Australian Taxation Office, $5.7 million to board members, and $2.8 million to suppliers – which include sponsors that paid their fees upfront.
Adding to the list of debts is the $1.1 million in unpaid stadium fees, $720,000 owed to the State Revenue Office and $250,000 in superannuation owed to employees.
The seven-person Rebels board is demanding Rugby Australia cough up $8 million they say is owed to the club. They allege the governing body owes $6 million for underfunding the club over a number of years, and an additional $2 million to cover the cost of Rebels’ player wages while they were on Wallabies duties.
PwC’s Martin Ford, the administrator appointed as chair, said he would need to investigate these claims before – or if – any action could be taken.
But even if Rugby Australia fork out that money, the Rebels will need a big helping hand to pay off their remaining debt. Administrators said the club has just $17,300 left in the bank, and assets consisting of office furniture, gym equipment and two cars. The value of those assets are not known.
Rugby Australia has been contacted for comment.
‘It’s become about arguing’: Rebels fans in despair
The grim financial state has been a blow to the fans of the beloved Rebels, who are holding on to hope that the team can find a way through.
One of those fans, Rebels fanatic Lucas Hainsworth, said his identity was so strongly tied to the club that he “wouldn’t know how to express himself in another way” if the club were to collapse.
What the Melbourne Rebels owe
$11.6m owed to the Australian Taxation Office
$5.7m owed in loans
$2.8m owed to suppliers, including amounts advanced by sponsors
$1.1m owed to MOPT relating to unpaid stadium usage, plus an additional amount in relation to future lease liabilities under the existing agreement
$712k owed to the State Revenue Office in relation to unpaid payroll tax
“We’ve forgotten what the spectacle of rugby is. Fifteen [players] that love to compete for 80 hard minutes, and then after it give each other a hug and be a family together,” he said.
Adding to the frustration is the inability for spectators to purchase home ground tickets or Rebels memberships this season – with the first round just a week away.
The delay comes as Rugby Australia and the state government-operated Melbourne and Olympic Parks Trust continue to finalise an agreement on the cost for the use of AAMI Park.
Asked about this issue on Friday, and Rugby Australia boss Phil Waugh said:
“We can’t go on sale until we confirm the delivery of the ’24 season, and how we’re going to deliver it. [We’re having] very constructive conversations with the Victorian government and the [trust].”
He indicated they hoped to finalise the issue early this week.
The trust declined to comment, directing questions to Rugby Australia.
Dismal Pillock
Simon Poidevin (60)
Steve_Grey
Ward Prentice (10)
What the Melbourne Rebels owe
$11.6m owed to the Australian Taxation Office - that won't go away.
$5.7m owed in loans - that can be written off.
$2.8m owed to suppliers, including amounts advanced by sponsors - that can be written off.
$1.1m owed to MOPT relating to unpaid stadium usage, plus an additional amount in relation to future lease liabilities under the existing agreement - could well be written off.
$712k owed to the State Revenue Office in relation to unpaid payroll tax - that won't go away.
So 12+ Mio owed......still a lot of money; liquidator will likely declare bankrupt?
Dismal Pillock
Simon Poidevin (60)
"Excuse me, what was that last bit? Did you say TWO cars? We only have TWO goddamn cars?
-Melbourne Rebels board members react to news that their organisation only has two cars.
Pfitzy
George Gregan (70)
Well, this deserves an upgrade on the usual jiffery:
Sorry, but how the FUCK does a Board who let the organisation get into this sort of trouble think it is still owed money?
Of the debt, that is $5.7M that should be written off immediately.
Anything else is Grand Larceny.
Pfitzy
George Gregan (70)
The parlous state of professional rugby, both here and abroad, just goes to show how much these people know about running a tight ship.
Margaret Thatcher once said The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
I reckon capitalism is giving it a decent run.
Margaret Thatcher once said The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
I reckon capitalism is giving it a decent run.
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mst
Peter Johnson (47)
Let's get a rugby guy in, he knows the game!
FFS, it's the old rinse and repeat rugby story. We never want to learn, never want to change.
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Probably a few factors contributing.
Appointed administrators need to determine whether it’s in the interest of the creditors to let the Rebels keep trading. Ticketek unwilling to become another creditor, AAMI Park unwilling to open the stadium to GA and incur more costs that currently Rebels can’t pay.
Rebel man
Jim Lenehan (48)
As Rugby Aus have said. It’s a matter for RA and the venue to work out as they are operating the licence and nothing to do with the administration.
All the existing contracts were with the Rebels now there needs to be a deal with RA
Jimmy_Crouch
Ken Catchpole (46)
And so it begins.
Began before the VA mess, as per the article. But yea, not great.