The Wombat
Sydney Middleton (9)
They bring it upon themselves
Sydney Subbies 2025
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Here To Do
Herbert Moran (7)
Anyone who has been around Div Two for Newport's "reign of terror" knows that they were a level above. Whether they're good enough to hang with Div One is a story that's currently in progress.
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Chris McKivat (8)
No just saying it’s going to be tough for them.
2 weeks in and I am saying Drummoyne is bust though.
Heavyd
Colin Windon (37)
Loving the interest in all things Breakers!
I’m hearing plenty of excellent learnings & things to tighten for Newport from yesterday but well done Whales on a clean sweep. Bar the first 10 mins of 4ths I did t see any of it but my scouts tell me on a different day it could have been a different story.
Some unusually sloppy defence in 1st grade led to several soft tries along with some over exuberance to run from our 22. Our super boot nailing 1/5 was also an anomaly. The first two issues addressable at training. Positives were a dominate scrum.
2s was line ball & colts beaten last minute by last years Grand Finalists. Even 3s with a 21-3 penalty count & yellow card & 4ths can take something away to focus on.
The good news is the girls won and their program is building nicely with solid numbers.
The boys will dust themselves off and prepare to welcome Old Soldier to Porters in what will be a fantastic day of footy played in front of a bumper local crowd.
I’m hearing plenty of excellent learnings & things to tighten for Newport from yesterday but well done Whales on a clean sweep. Bar the first 10 mins of 4ths I did t see any of it but my scouts tell me on a different day it could have been a different story.
Some unusually sloppy defence in 1st grade led to several soft tries along with some over exuberance to run from our 22. Our super boot nailing 1/5 was also an anomaly. The first two issues addressable at training. Positives were a dominate scrum.
2s was line ball & colts beaten last minute by last years Grand Finalists. Even 3s with a 21-3 penalty count & yellow card & 4ths can take something away to focus on.
The good news is the girls won and their program is building nicely with solid numbers.
The boys will dust themselves off and prepare to welcome Old Soldier to Porters in what will be a fantastic day of footy played in front of a bumper local crowd.
Heavyd
Colin Windon (37)
They won 2s and colts and looked to have let leads go late in all other grades. Looks like there is two comps within 1st Division.
Mountain men, Waverley, HH vs the rest.
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Ward Prentice (10)
See below the payment rates from 2024. It is pretty much a stipend to cover some costs for travelling etc. Publicly available in the association annual report.
Many refs (particularly older ones) donate fees back to the association.
As for stepup, there is some cross over subbies to prem.
Under the old gradings (system changed this year) match rankings were 1. Shute Shield, 2. Colin Caird, 3. Colts1, 4. GPS 1, 5. CAS 1, 6. Henderson Shield, 7. Kentwell Cup, 8. Barraclough Cup. Kentwell refs could be appointed as far up as Colin Caird (B), and Colts 1 (C), Barraclough (D & C) would be mostly subbies dominant referees who could still be appointed Colts 2 and 4th grade in prem.
For finals, refs are selected from a certain grading upwards (e.g. 'H' and up), if you are selected your group is generally aimed at a lower grading than typical during a season as there are less games. At this time refs are chosen based on form and coaches select the lucky few that get a final each year. If you get a final you are doing pretty well at your level. A colleague refereed his first grand final in 2023 in his 30th year of refereeing.
NSWRRA Annual Report 2024
Here To Do
Herbert Moran (7)
Allow me to be the first to say you guys don't get paid enough for what you have to deal with some games
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Beyond the cost of fuel and tolls in Sydney. One day we had a ref at Kellyville who drove from Coogee!
As Ref_Ted said above: for the young refs it is a modest income stream but a lot of refs donate it back.
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Frank Nicholson (4)
Excellent for the revival of St Ives - Would be a shame if this club ceased to exist.
In saying that - Is anyone actually watching the quality of these contests?
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Available on NSWRugby.tv
Ref_Ted
Ward Prentice (10)
Interesting weekend discussions.
Forest Colts had 15 and uncontested so played with 14 and 1 on the bench. Coach indicated they got a couple from Savers opens joint venture and still looking as they obviously need more. No real insight to the underlying challenges.
Sunday Wakehurst U15s were short and had to borrow from opposition. Chat with coach acknowledged they have some real challenges though minis was really strong. Suggested a covid bubble coming through now into colts where many kids stopped playing.
Forest Colts had 15 and uncontested so played with 14 and 1 on the bench. Coach indicated they got a couple from Savers opens joint venture and still looking as they obviously need more. No real insight to the underlying challenges.
Sunday Wakehurst U15s were short and had to borrow from opposition. Chat with coach acknowledged they have some real challenges though minis was really strong. Suggested a covid bubble coming through now into colts where many kids stopped playing.
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Sydney Middleton (9)
Not that it really moves the needle at all but is this 'base' per hour or for the whole 80 minutes? Is it just applicable to the time between first and final whistle or are you also compensated for pre and post game duties?
Seconded 1000%.
21mm
Allen Oxlade (6)
Then why are they in Div 2 Joy Johnson?
Lindfield Girls having to go to Hornsby this week rather than playing Newport at home along with the rest of the club. Bit of a head scratcher.
Ref_Ted
Ward Prentice (10)
Hahaha! Per match it is.
Granted most of us older blokes love being in the middle, a great physical and mental challenge.
For me, I started very late on and regret not doing it when I was younger (mid life crisis if I live to 98
).
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Ward Prentice (10)
For the top tier prem guys (Shute, Colin Caird, Colts 1 etc) you are expected to be at training twice per week plus gym work if you want to stay in the squad. Sub 5min bronco minimum to do 1st grade.
On top of that weekly to3 match reviews, coach debrief, and education nights.
Then match prep for the next game.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
There's a really good interview with Angus Gardner somewhere that looks at the international level routine they follow. It is intense.
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Ted Fahey (11)
In fairness Lindfield aren't the only ones that will need to manage that with another obvious example being UNSW JJC playing at St Ive's when the rest of the club was playing at South Coogee, which included Sydney Irish JJC v Hornsby. Would be reluctant to be critical of any club doing their bit to support a JJC team. As for the grading, I think eveyone can appreciate it is a work in progress which has relied on 2024 results - a lot can change.
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Allen Oxlade (6)
Totally get that growing pains and all, and not a dig at the team itself as you suggest.
But when you have very low hanging fruit by having Newport in Div 1, the Women's team also winning a JJC premiership so you cant really argue its a talent level thing, and the competition pushing for alignment with men's divisions, i just don't understand why they aren't in in the top grade?