2017 TV ratings and crowd figures
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Mark Ella (57)
I think the implication there is that ten think they're going to be losing the FTA rights for BBL
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Alan Cameron (40)
The channel 10 rumours, this comes from the same client that sent me the link to the Fox CEO speech and the competition. The client owns a net media company and provides to all the networks general services, first his company will study the net world over for story lines the networks an interested in and send in the key links and second with some specialist programming. He talks daily to producers and technicians from all the networks Fox included. The technicians and producers have told him the following.
9 have the cricket all of it.
Meaning 10 don't have much sport.
The Fox media deal with FFA says they have to go FTA, 10 & Fox have a common media advertising structure now.
10 will broadcast the A-League on Saturday night on their primary channel, and provide at least one but more than likely two promotional shows to support its launch, a pre round show and a post round show, these will be on channel 1. The revenue he tells me is 3 million plus a percentage of gross revenue from the Saturday night broadcast. He also tells me special 10 & 15 seconds ads are being developed for stoppages in play like goal kicks and corners.
Plus 12 teams not the season but next, and more than likely this game will be on 10 as well.
The client BTW is a very hard core soccer fan however he employees 8 people which is not huge but its not a one man band either.
Head in the sand, its not we don't acknowledge where we are today, more the denial [maybe denial is too strong] of what other sports are doing, especially the A-League. I constantly read our metrics are similar.
This totally ignores where they started a few years ago, and what they plan in the future. With 12 teams and 3 rounds they will have over 200 games against our 40 odd,. Even our 40 odd local games may come down if we loose a team.
Consider 200 games at 13K is 2.6 million through the gate. Plus 200 things to sell a media company with local news.
The same client says the talk is within 5 to 6 years a 16 team competition over two rounds. Meaning 8 games per round over 30 rounds is 240 games plus finals, plus FFA Cup, plus Internationals, plus their Asian Champions league games by then 4 teams with at least 6 games each so 24 games.
In 5 years or roughly when our current media deal runs out they will have over 300 games to sell.
Then the women's AFL by then will have grown, as will have netball and basketball all with national domestic competitions.
The Fox CEO link scared the pants off me, he essentially outlined a working plan with soccer to build their ratings and grow the sport. Do we have this relationship with Fox.
So yer it is head in the sand, not to look at what others are doing, what their plans are, and how they plan to get there. Soccer is our biggest competition however very soon they will have 5 times the games we do.
Well I'll believe the TV rights stuff when I see it. In your time here you've made all sorts of prognostications about the growth of the A-League and TV rights deals, but we've yet to see any of it. It might be true, but it might not.
The indications are that TV networks aren't queuing up to get on board with the A-League. Because if they were we'd have a deal by now.
A few years ago? The comp's been around for 12 years now. And has only grown marginally in that time.
While I broadly agree with you that we need some sort of viable domestic competition, the notion that we should just aim for 'content' is misguided.
The A-League has tried expansion before, and it failed. There is limited evidence to suggest it will work if they try it again.
Yes it makes for better TV deals and more things to watch. But if the stands are empty, is that good for the game? Is there such a thing as too much content?
Rugby faces plenty of challenges, but your constant praise of the FFA and A-League and denigration of rugby oversimplifies a complex situation.And makes you sound like a broken record.
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The indications are that TV networks aren't queuing up to get on board with the A-League. Because if they were we'd have a deal by now.
A few years ago? The comp's been around for 12 years now. And has only grown marginally in that time.
While I broadly agree with you that we need some sort of viable domestic competition, the notion that we should just aim for 'content' is misguided.
The A-League has tried expansion before, and it failed. There is limited evidence to suggest it will work if they try it again.
Yes it makes for better TV deals and more things to watch. But if the stands are empty, is that good for the game? Is there such a thing as too much content?
Rugby faces plenty of challenges, but your constant praise of the FFA and A-League and denigration of rugby oversimplifies a complex situation.And makes you sound like a broken record.
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Andrew Slack (58)
Ads during play for Football?
Think no one in their right mind will be watching that.
It's distasteful enough when there's natural breaks for it like in AFL, let alone in the Rugbys.
Think no one in their right mind will be watching that.
It's distasteful enough when there's natural breaks for it like in AFL, let alone in the Rugbys.
Strewthcobber
Mark Ella (57)
I'm on record as thinking Super Rugby is doomed, but think an A-League style comp would doom us quicker
If we set up an Australia comp instead of Super Rugby and were as successful as the A-League after 12 years, able to afford a salary cap of <$3m for many more games and half the players per team, we'd barely have any decent players left in the country.
Another interesting thing about the A-League is our international results have declined over the last 12 years, and the recognition of the top Aussie players have got much worse (where are the Kewells, Vidukas, Schwarza, Bosnichs, Bresciano, JOhnsons). The A-League doesn't appear to be producing international prospects, or even new Aussie stars
If we set up an Australia comp instead of Super Rugby and were as successful as the A-League after 12 years, able to afford a salary cap of <$3m for many more games and half the players per team, we'd barely have any decent players left in the country.
Another interesting thing about the A-League is our international results have declined over the last 12 years, and the recognition of the top Aussie players have got much worse (where are the Kewells, Vidukas, Schwarza, Bosnichs, Bresciano, JOhnsons). The A-League doesn't appear to be producing international prospects, or even new Aussie stars
Strewthcobber
Mark Ella (57)
Brisbane 10s
Saturday - 51,000
Sunday (A) - 52,000, (B) - 56,000
Figures are reported for two sessions on Sunday - sorry, I don't know what they represent
Saturday - 51,000
Sunday (A) - 52,000, (B) - 56,000
Figures are reported for two sessions on Sunday - sorry, I don't know what they represent
There was a separate show in the Foxtel guide for the regular games and then the finals. I'd guess that is what it is.
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Mark Ella (57)
Women's AFL continue to do pretty well
155k, 95k, 83k, 80k on Fox, 350k odd on Seven
155k, 95k, 83k, 80k on Fox, 350k odd on Seven
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Chris McKivat (8)
need to do what Netball did and break away from New Zealand. Maybe beat the NRL to a national womens competition, and steal a march on them - you've got a great sevens platform to build on, especially after the Olympics.
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Chris McKivat (8)
Soccer on the other hand, they've got an expanding BBL - iD say it will go a week earlier rather than later, the Australian Open and then AFL Womens and the AFL/Rugbys. Leaving it 6 weeks of clear air, which in the south is sucked out by the AFL and the draft coverage.
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John Thornett (49)
We need to stick with NZ like glue. Its the Saffas (Timezone) we need to drop
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David Codey (61)
Yep. Cut the Saffers, Argies and Japanese amd go it alone with the Kiwi's. Add another team to each nation (sign a bunch of those Argies, Saffers and Japanese) and go for it.
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Kiwis don't want to hitch their wagon to just Australia.
Super Rugby should become the equivalent of the European Championship played in the later half of the season with the top teams from each county. Each country would then have their own domestic competitions.
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Super Rugby should become the equivalent of the European Championship played in the later half of the season with the top teams from each county. Each country would then have their own domestic competitions.
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WorkingClassRugger
David Codey (61)
I'd be fine with that as well. But it would hinge on how much FoxSports would be willing to pay for what would be essentially an upgraded NRC. A Champions League style could be worth a fair chunk of change as it would allow for involvement from even more teams. Teams from the Currie Cup, Mitre 10 Cup, NRC, Top League. Could go further and involvement the Compenato Argentino/Nacionale de Clubs from Argentina and down the road teams from the soon to be announced Major League Rugby out of the USA.
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Having the global season calendar approved would go a long way to fixing the domestic calendar
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Dave Cowper (27)
I like the concept, but would the Champions League in the later half of the year mean that the test players would be left out of it due to the RC, etc?
While I think a domestic tournament is key for Oz rugby growth, the NRC concept (while being good for player-development purposes) is fighting a hard battle to win the hearts of the public without having access to all the test stars to promote it. Not saying it won't grow, just saying it's not as easy as it could be.
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David Codey (61)
Well, a move toward a primarily domestic structure would involve some kind of hybrid between the current Super Rugby franchises and NRC franchises. Say the current 5 plus both the Country squads plus Fiji. So it would occupy the same window as Super Rugby currently does and would feature Test players.
In terms of window. Ideally a deal regarding a global calendar that pushes the current June window back to say July would help.
With that you could run a 14 week regular 1st phase across the current member nations. Each Union can determine the number of teams that compete in their competition.
We use a similar set up as above, SA use the Currie Cup, NZ the M10 Cup, Japan the Top League and Argentina one of the Compenato, Nacionales de Clubs or even the URBA competition.
Top 4 from each then progress into a Champions League style tournament featuring four, 5 team pools playing each other once. Top 2 progress to 1/4 finals and beyond. All up, 22 weeks and over 300 games.
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