Bledisloe #1 - AUS v NZL, ANZ Stadium, Sydney, August 8th
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Disagree. That particular offence particularly annoys me.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
The McCaw cloak of darkness is still working, at a scrum he was behind Pocock who still had the ball at his feet and wasn't penalised. At the maul immediately preceding Kepu's try he drove in from the side and attacked the ball carrier in front of Barnes with no penalty. He might be old but that cloak has done some work over the years.
Pfitzy
George Gregan (70)
Why? They were professional fouls - cut and dried. I applaud Barnes for doing that and wish more refs would!
I disagree - professional foul just off your own line should be YC, there is no requirement for warnings. Same too with Smith's high tackle. And Phipps. All good calls, I think.
Highlander35
Andrew Slack (58)
Cards were good decisions. Kepu and Smith are cut and dry professional fouls, Phipps was because he went twice.
Other things you can argue stylistically, but at least he's consistent.
Other things you can argue stylistically, but at least he's consistent.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
And we are so close to Ireland that a win next week should take us to second. I am not implying that that is any certainty, just a possibility.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
Sincerely hope you're right on both counts @Cyclo.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
I agree, but I would also like to see the "quick tap" policed properly. There is no such thing in Rugby, the ball must be kicked. Australian scrum halves are particularly bad at it. It is a pet hate of mine.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
I thought all three cards were good decisions. Referees who just penalise head high "for the sake of the game" do it a great disservice.
My gripes with Barnes are all around his naivety - he thinks that people buffeting Folau in the air are really competing for the ball and that NZ players appearing on our side of the ruck or lazy running that impedes our halfback is accidental. Its not, its deliberate.
Strewthcobber
Andrew Slack (58)
Kepu was bloody lucky he didn't give away a penalty try as well as getting that yellow card.
Strewthcobber
Andrew Slack (58)
Just watching some highlights now, I think Smith did *just* enough to kick it.
Teh Other Dave
Alan Cameron (40)
That may be deceptive, was the mark made where Barnes was standing, or was the infringement where the breakdown appears to be - in front of Smith?
Purce
Jim Clark (26)
Well this thread has gone off since the start of the game yesterday, I haven't been through all the pages but thought I'd add my thoughts.
Aus played quite well, New Zealand not so much. I'm still unsure if it was down to our pressure or if they just had an off night.
Australia Positives:
- Scrum
- Work at the breakdown
- Attitude
- Physicality
- Scramble defense
- Support play
- I think Gits and Drew add real experience to that back line. Mitchell didn't start well but finished very strongly.
- 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,11,12,14,15
- I thought all "finishers" came on a did well particularly To'omua & White, Beale the least effective
Australia Negatives:
- Lineouts
- Kick chase terrible
- Wide defense and at times up the guts was very poor, out wide has me particularly worried about next week.
- A number of good attacking chances were blown by the pass being behind the player or the supporting player being far too flat
- 1st half ball receivers far too deep and not running onto the ball, I understand this when trying to work around the defense however too often belted way behind ad line
- Most of the game players were receiving the ball flat footed and NZ were just picking them off behind the advantage line
- Not great games from 2, 13
- Very poor 9, 10
I think New Zealand will be a completely different side next week. The good thing about Aus performance is that there are still a number of areas in their game which can be significantly improved on. If they can they will be very hard to beat.
Moving into next week I'd be keeping the forward pack and slotting To'omua into 10. Happy to give Phipps another chance but I also thing White deserves a shot.
I wouldn't be surprised if Chieka plays AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13 this week and rests/benchs Tevita to give another winger or 2 a shot. Dependant on AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)'s neck.
Very excited about next week. I think we will see a cracking game or a cracking NZ.
Aus played quite well, New Zealand not so much. I'm still unsure if it was down to our pressure or if they just had an off night.
Australia Positives:
- Scrum
- Work at the breakdown
- Attitude
- Physicality
- Scramble defense
- Support play
- I think Gits and Drew add real experience to that back line. Mitchell didn't start well but finished very strongly.
- 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,11,12,14,15
- I thought all "finishers" came on a did well particularly To'omua & White, Beale the least effective
Australia Negatives:
- Lineouts
- Kick chase terrible
- Wide defense and at times up the guts was very poor, out wide has me particularly worried about next week.
- A number of good attacking chances were blown by the pass being behind the player or the supporting player being far too flat
- 1st half ball receivers far too deep and not running onto the ball, I understand this when trying to work around the defense however too often belted way behind ad line
- Most of the game players were receiving the ball flat footed and NZ were just picking them off behind the advantage line
- Not great games from 2, 13
- Very poor 9, 10
I think New Zealand will be a completely different side next week. The good thing about Aus performance is that there are still a number of areas in their game which can be significantly improved on. If they can they will be very hard to beat.
Moving into next week I'd be keeping the forward pack and slotting To'omua into 10. Happy to give Phipps another chance but I also thing White deserves a shot.
I wouldn't be surprised if Chieka plays AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13 this week and rests/benchs Tevita to give another winger or 2 a shot. Dependant on AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)'s neck.
Very excited about next week. I think we will see a cracking game or a cracking NZ.
Strewthcobber
Andrew Slack (58)
Yep - you're right. (had another look!) the infringement was inside the 5m line at the previous ruck, so the mark is 5m back - right where Smith took it.
In real time, Barnes had not made a mark yet, so Smith was guessing where it would be, which was the breakdown. Nice Black wall between Smith and the Aus defence too, even if any of them actually got back, which they didn't! He's a smart player.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Groucho
Greg Davis (50)
At the risk of being pedantic, Kepu was a professional foul (breaking the laws deliberately for advantage) and Smith was foul play.
Pfitzy
George Gregan (70)
*ahem*
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=21&language=EN
21.4 Penalty and free kick options and requirements
(j) Kick taken quickly. If the penalty or free kick is taken so quickly that players of the kicker’s team are still in front of the ball, they are not penalised for being offside. However, they must retire immediately. They must not stop retiring until they are onside. They must not take part in the game until they are onside. This applies to all players of that team, whether they are inside or outside the playing area.
In the clip I've seen, none of the three ABs move backwards so maybe that played into Barnes' thinking?
http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=21&language=EN
21.4 Penalty and free kick options and requirements
(j) Kick taken quickly. If the penalty or free kick is taken so quickly that players of the kicker’s team are still in front of the ball, they are not penalised for being offside. However, they must retire immediately. They must not stop retiring until they are onside. They must not take part in the game until they are onside. This applies to all players of that team, whether they are inside or outside the playing area.
In the clip I've seen, none of the three ABs move backwards so maybe that played into Barnes' thinking?
Forcefield
Ken Catchpole (46)
Anyone who doubts Wayne Barnes as a referee for the Wallabies has to be smoking crack. I had noticed that we tend to win a lot when Wayne is the referee but I didn't realise that we haven't lost a game that he has refereed since 2007 (Springboks in Capetown). He is like the anti-Kaplan. I want him to referee every one of our games in the World Cup.
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