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Brumbies 2018

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Michael Lynagh (62)
Dang... although the optimist in me looks forward to seeing:

6. Valetini 7. Cusack 8. Naisarani
With the depth in backrow brumbies have and form of the above I find this quite a tantalising prospect to see this combination.


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dru

Tim Horan (67)
And again.. if he wasn’t been paid for his sabbatical year off, why would he get elective surgery on something which is directly related to his work.

Most likely scenario is that the injury has worsened using his time in Japan. but for the ARU and Brumbies, you get what you ask for when you agree to sabbatical deals and Flexi-contracts..I don’t blame Pocock at all in this situation.

TOCC, my understanding was that Pocock negotiated 2 years of wages spread over three years including his sabbatical. So, on one hand fans claiming the money should have been spent elsewhere miss the point because the sabbatical cost ARU/Brumbies nothing. On the other hand, he was under contract and being paid during his sabatical. If the surgery was able to be planned it could have and should have been done in Aus during the sabatical.
 

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George Gregan (70)
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And again.. if he wasn’t been paid for his sabbatical year off, why would he get elective surgery on something which is directly related to his work.

Most likely scenario is that the injury has worsened using his time in Japan. but for the ARU and Brumbies, you get what you ask for when you agree to sabbatical deals and Flexi-contracts..I don’t blame Pocock at all in this situation.

Yeah, the moral thing is to build some huts in Africa, take the big Japanese money and screw the ARU when you get back from your "holiday" Unfortunately when someone chooses to be the moral barometer of Australian Rugby they should be held to a higher standard
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
He didn’t choose to be the moral barometer, he just chose to be a person with morals. Not his fault that he’s in the minority.

It’s not an ideal situation but in the scheme of things, surely there’s more important things to worry about. It’s well known that he was paid for his 3 year contract over 4 years. Get a grip people.
 

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George Gregan (70)
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He didn’t choose to be the moral barometer, he just chose to be a person with morals. Not his fault that he’s in the minority.

It’s not an ideal situation but in the scheme of things, surely there’s more important things to worry about. It’s well known that he was paid for his 3 year contract over 4 years. Get a grip people.

So a "person with morals" made a "moral" decision? PS. I would have the same issue if Folau turned up needing surgery after his "holiday" as well
 

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Stan Wickham (3)
He didn’t choose to be the moral barometer, he just chose to be a person with morals. Not his fault that he’s in the minority.

It’s not an ideal situation but in the scheme of things, surely there’s more important things to worry about. It’s well known that he was paid for his 3 year contract over 4 years. Get a grip people.

He has taken the club for a massive ride. There is no getting around that champ.
 

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George Smith (75)
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TOCC, my understanding was that Pocock negotiated 2 years of wages spread over three years including his sabbatical. So, on one hand fans claiming the money should have been spent elsewhere miss the point because the sabbatical cost ARU/Brumbies nothing. On the other hand, he was under contract and being paid during his sabatical. If the surgery was able to be planned it could have and should have been done in Aus during the sabatical.

Exactly - he was being paid. And, the cost of the surgery is really irrelevant. It's not going to break anyone's bank, even his, if he paid for it himself, given what he gets paid. The cost to whomever getting it sorted, so it interfered the least with his earning potential going forward, is a minor factor and a no-brainer - get it done as expediently as possible. It would have been far better to get it done, as you say, when he was designated to be "not playing".
 
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Yeah, the moral thing is to build some huts in Africa, take the big Japanese money and screw the ARU when you get back from your "holiday" Unfortunately when someone chooses to be the moral barometer of Australian Rugby they should be held to a higher standard

Do you actually know when it was required to be done, have you considered it was potentially an injury that they were hoping was going to improve, or that it was a pre-existing injury which has worsened to the point of requiring surgery following his time in Japan, shit... it may gave have even been a difference of opinion between specialists

Are you trying to convince us that Pocock has been aware that he would require surgery for the past 12 months but elected to postpone it because he is immoral and wanted to screw the ARU.

As for the ARU being screwed, what a load of garbage.. some of us have been criticising the introduction of the Flexi-contracts for years. If they didn’t have him on a Flexi-contract he would have been back at the Brumbies in Nov last year, he mightn’t have even needed surgery or if he did, their would be enough time for surgery and back by round 1... the ARU wilfully agreed to let him play in Japan. As they did with Foley and Folau, and this is the cost of those decisions. As far as I’m concerned, and like the Foley injury prior, they made their bed on this one. Only a fool would think it’s a great idea to thrash your most valued assets.
 

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Tim Horan (67)
@TOCC I think it comes down to whether or not it was planned or known. And what exactly was known. You’re right, there is more to the issue than the presumptions. (It’s still not a good look.)
 

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George Gregan (70)
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Do you actually know when it was required to be done, have you considered it was potentially an injury that they were hoping was going to improve, or that it was a pre-existing injury which has worsened to the point of requiring surgery following his time in Japan, shit. it may gave have even been a difference of opinion between specialists

Are you trying to convince us that Pocock has been aware that he would require surgery for the past 12 months but elected to postpone it because he is immoral and wanted to screw the ARU.

As for the ARU being screwed, what a load of garbage.. some of us have been criticising the introduction of the Flexi-contracts for years. If they didn’t have him on a Flexi-contract he would have been back at the Brumbies in Nov last year, he mightn’t have even needed surgery or if he did, their would be enough time for surgery and back by round 1. the ARU wilfully agreed to let him play in Japan. As they did with Foley and Folau, and this is the cost of those decisions. As far as I’m concerned, and like the Foley injury prior, they made their bed on this one. Only a fool would think it’s a great idea to thrash your most valued assets.
Yep, clearly all the ARU's fault, clearly Pocock was running around in Japan 100% healthy and was only injured in the last moments of his last game and the comments that operation is to clean up a long carried injury is fake news.

It couldn't possibly be that the ARU are being screwed over to retain players and the players and their agents are happy to screw over the ARU

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@TOCC I think it comes down to whether or not it was planned or known. And what exactly was known. You’re right, there is more to the issue than the presumptions. (It’s still not a good look.)

No it’s not a good look, but the reason it’s not a good look is a result of the flexi-contract that the ARU facilitates and not for the other reasons that people are claiming.

Since he was an employee of the RA in 2017 as some have pointed out and he was still contracted, then he was still covered by the same RA Medical Policy that covers all professional players in the game.

If there were prior knowledge of this injury, then he would have been referred there by the ARU/Brumbies team doctor and the club remained very much in the loop. The only circumstance where they wouldn’t be directly in the loop is if it occurred or worsened during his time in Japan.
 
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Yep, clearly all the ARU's fault, clearly Pocock was running around in Japan 100% healthy and was only injured in the last moments of his last game and the comments that operation is to clean up a long carried injury is fake news.

Yes it Is the ARUs fault for agreeing to let players play back to back seasons without a pre-season which would typically facilitate surgeries like this.

I don’t know what you think occurs, but players get referred to specialists through their team doctors, and that specialist report goes back to team doctor. The club is kept in the loop about the injury state of players.

Yes it may have been a long term injury, every player in the game would have some form of long term shoulder, ankle back or knee problems. You’re making a ridiculous assumption to assume that it hasn’t worsened, or that surgery 12 months ago was the immediate solution, potentially they even hoped the reduced tempo of last year may have let it heal naturally.

Quite simply your making a lot of assumptions based on one little snippet in the bottom of the article and haven’t considered alternate factors. Questioning Pococks morality and claiming he has deliberately screwed the ARU over based on what you know is a step too far IMO, your on a witch hunt over Pocock for reasons I’m unsure.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
He's just awful........... the Brumbies should just tell him to go train with his club instead.
 

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Stan Wickham (3)
He's just awful..... the Brumbies should just tell him to go train with his club instead.
That’s actually not a bad idea.
He should be at his club, showing his face. He also should be running coaching clinics for kids when school goes back, working the phones for membership and engaging with sponsors.
If he can support every minority cause under the sun, he can probably promote the game and club that pays him.
 

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Stirling Mortlock (74)
That's just not enough.........
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