Brumbies v Crusaders Rd 16 (last) Fri 30th May @ GIO Stadium 7.35pm AEST

[dillyboy]

Same bloody ref too - there's only one I'm calling to be cut! (Although Damon Murphy is close to being added to the list)

 

[Dan54]

Super rugby administrators can't or shouldn't ever be allowed to drop or otherwise refs, hell even National unions can't do it. They are appointed by the ref assoc.

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

Same bloody ref too - there's only one I'm calling to be cut! (Although Damon Murphy is close to being added to the list)

No it wasn't. Reds game was Paul Williams.

 

[Ignoto]

Sure but the Refs association needs to show some leadership and demonstrate that the reffing quality isn't acceptable.

Williams and Doleman have consistently over the last few seasons been absolutely poor. These aren't one off games either.

 

[Lindommer]

Geez I just watched it, on the link you supplied,I not convinced either way. Reece definitely touches it inside the 22, and the ball rolls back over the 22 doesn't it? Mind you I also happy if the ref calls it lost control, as he seemed to touch behind ball,, but it certainly doesn't roll forward.

No it didn't. The ball was a good 5cm in front of the 22 when it stopped moving.

 

[Willin1]

Watched this with an Aussie mate who reckoned probably a knock on but was adamant the Brumbies player in the ruck playing at the ball prevented Reece from a clean take and should have been penalised.

 

[dru]

Watched this with an Aussie mate who reckoned probably a knock on but was adamant the Brumbies player in the ruck playing at the ball prevented Reece from a clean take and should have been penalised.

Why on earth would the ref suddenly change tack and start pinging that? That would have been weird.

 

[Wilson]

The obvious issue/risk with that is the guys they would be replaced with aren't as good, and potentially miss even more

I think they need to have the competition managing them, rather than the separate unions. At the very least it will help with consistency across the group.

 

[drewprint]

I think they need to have the competition managing them, rather than the separate unions. At the very least it will help with consistency across the group.

Exactly. For as long as it keeps getting treated as a Mickey Mouse competition we can keep expecting outcomes like this. Needs to be one refereeing body, aligned on structure, interpretations, etc.

 

[Brumby Runner]

I think they need to have the competition managing them, rather than the separate unions. At the very least it will help with consistency across the group.

Exactly. For as long as it keeps getting treated as a Mickey Mouse competition we can keep expecting outcomes like this. Needs to be one refereeing body, aligned on structure, interpretations, etc.

I thought the refs were already managed centrally. Why else would a game like Brumbies at home against the Crusaders have a NZ ref and not an Aussie?

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Seemed me that at least one NZ game a week had an Aus ref (usually Gus) & vice-versa which suggests refs being at least centrally appointed.

 

[Wilson]

I thought the refs were already managed centrally. Why else would a game like Brumbies at home against the Crusaders have a NZ ref and not an Aussie?

Centrally appointed yes, but the refs are employed by the individual unions and all the training they receive comes from them. As far as I'm aware there's no super rugby refs boss dictating terms that they're reporting to seperate from those structures, though things are at least moving in that direction.

This is not just a super rugby issue though - ref management at the top levels of the game still feels very ad hoc for mine, and it's crying out for more formalised structures to help the refs themselves.

 

[Dan54]

I thought the refs were already managed centrally. Why else would a game like Brumbies at home against the Crusaders have a NZ ref and not an Aussie?

They are by a central refs panel.

 

[drewprint]

That’s not what Wilson and I were highlighting (further explained by his follow up post above). But continue missing the point as usual.

 

[TSR]

Geez I just watched it, on the link you supplied,I not convinced either way. Reece definitely touches it inside the 22, and the ball rolls back over the 22 doesn't it? Mind you I also happy if the ref calls it lost control, as he seemed to touch behind ball,, but it certainly doesn't roll forward.

Mate - please. That’s as clear knock on as can be. His hand is behind the ball. It goes forward then the shape of the ball brings it back.

I know you don’t like to criticise refs, but you know there is an option to just not comment rather than defend the indefensible.

 

[Heavyd]

Imagine this chat when the refs cost both Brumbies and Reds victories next weekend!!

 

[Slim 293]

Mate - please. That’s as clear knock on as can be. His hand is behind the ball. It goes forward then the shape of the ball brings it back.

I know you don’t like to criticise refs, but you know there is an option to just not comment rather than defend the indefensible.

What’s funny about the “it’s rolling backwards” Kiwi apologists is that the ball is rolling backwards until Reece touches it, and then you can visibly see the back of the ball lift upwards as it moves forward from the hand contact, before it rocks backwards again from the prior momentum.

 

[Strewthcobber]

What’s funny about the “it’s rolling backwards” Kiwi apologists is that the ball is rolling backwards until Reece touches it, and then you can visibly see the back of the ball lift upwards as it moves forward from the hand contact, before it rocks backwards again from the prior momentum.

It's a knock-on, because of course it is, but if Doleman is unsighted by Reece's leg that is going to look like it's not a knock on.

TMO can't help here and touchies are a million miles away

 

[TSR]

It's a knock-on, because of course it is, but if Doleman is unsighted by Reece's leg that is going to look like it's not a knock on.

TMO can't help here and touches are a million miles away

And that’s fine - I can accept the ref and touchy missing it, even though I think it should be one of the more obvious ones. But these things happen. Refs are people and they make mistakes. I also think blaming refs for losing games is a bit unrealistic. As Larkham himself says in most games you get a few calls and you have a few go against you. The Brums (and Reds last weekend) need to look at things they have control over. Aussie teams need to be good enough to take the ref out of the equation. My impression from the comments is most of the Brumby fans on here aren’t blaming Doleman for the loss.

But that’s a clear knock on. Why argue it isn’t?

 

[Dan54]

Mate - please. That’s as clear knock on as can be. His hand is behind the ball. It goes forward then the shape of the ball brings it back.

I know you don’t like to criticise refs, but you know there is an option to just not comment rather than defend the indefensible

You obviously didn't read my next post where I said after looking a few more times ,I thought it could well of been, and ball landed on point then went back.

It's a knock-on, because of course it is, but if Doleman is unsighted by Reece's leg that is going to look like it's not a knock on.

TMO can't help here and touchies are a million miles away

Is the answer to allow the TMO come in whenever he sees something that is missed? Similar to what they do in NH, and what we had for a few years, until they decided this year for the sake of the viewers on tv , they wanted to take TMO out, unless it was for foul play, and in the act of scoring? I understand the angst etc, but I betting almost every game the TMO will come in for missed knock ons, etc. I watch a bit of NH stuff and it can get a bit frustrating with super analysing of what seem unimportant happening of field. I think we may need to decide . See any knock on etc (crooked lineout feed etc etc) that happens at start of game should be as important as one that happens at end of game.
Probably the real answer is ref by AI, and have a computer analyse everything and then we will have exact same outcome all the time? Noon will be watching, but there will be no mistakes.