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CAS Rugby 2023

JackJill

Sydney Middleton (9)
Believe it or not... Barker don't abduct these kids from these schools against their will... If the boys and parents didn't think Barker was a better school... then they wouldn't send them to Barker... Stupid argument.
Orrrr, they offer cheaper school fees plus boarding to these kids all for the price of their previous school or cheaper?
Schools don't create talent. They receive it. And they then nurture the talent they have. Saying otherwise is utterly stupid. Joeys is great because they are a revered rugby school and hence they organically receive an abundant amount of rugby talent , which they admittedly nurture extremely well, but they haven't discovered some special formula that creates wallabies. They receive wallaby level talent and they make wallabies out of that talent.
School's do create talent, I know of numerous boys who have never stepped onto a rugby field who have natural speed, size etc, and have became 1st XV and 1st grade colts players. Yes Joeys have lots of talent that comes but theres a reason their younger age C and D teams will beat so many A sides, and that's the extensive coaching and nurturing that occurs, many boys that start off in those lower grade teams end up being 1/2 XV players because of improvements they made over the years as a result of the "special wallaby formula."

Barker do an exceptional job with the talent they receive organically, to name a few, Tom Livingstone (robbed of an Aus Schoolboys selection IMO, and was laughably robbed from a CAS 1's spot by that Ethan. King bloke, despite outperforming him all year long), Bryn Edwards (Aus Schools), Adam Van Wyk (NSW), Gabriel Reid (who was a soccer player, who in 1 and a half years became a CAS rugby representative), Jakob Biet (NSW representative) and Hamish McDonald (NSW representative)... That was from last year alone... Barker has an outstanding opens program, admittedly they do need to start focusing on developing players earlier, but Barker is creating great players with the talent they have, they just don't receive the same talent as other schools do organically due to a smaller cohort of boys, and not having a long standing culture of rugby prestige.
Ok, you have proven me wrong in this area, I admit. But about Gabriel Read, didn't you just prove your own point wrong saying schools don't create talent they receive it? If they transferred his skills from soccer to rugby isn't that creating talent? There's a viable point.

Almost like Joeys, View and Knox aren't competing against a co-ed environment... and have 200 more boys in every year group to pick from... and already have 100 years of established rugby prestige success leading to a strong culture to piggy back on. Not even remotely comparable to Barker's situation. Yet again a blatantly stupid argument.
Oakhill was founded 40 years after Barker, and is a co-ed school that has recently established dominance in the ISA competition and other trial matches, and has created a strong rugby culture in the last 20-30 years? Zero scholarships, and a significantly less spending budget. There's a suitable comparison, Barker just isn't doing it right, that's the truth.

Barker is an unprecedented situation, in a completely different situation to any school currently, or that any school in NSW has had to undergo before. It will need to do things differently. That is the truth.
Oakhill did it, they had a much worse situation anyway. All Barker are doing are handing out scholarships on top of scholarships to have a gun first team, if that counts as an "unprecedented situation" then it sounds like a bloody good one to me. Maybe if they shaved some money off scholarships and relocated it into their younger and lower grades in age groups, they could be comparable to Waves Knox etc. But right now the way their doing things, I believe, is stupid and hopeless.

You haven't made a single viable point. If you don't like it, that's fine. But take a page out of WLF3's book and at the very least have intelligent and logical criticisms.
Look mate, i've made points, to which have got likes and agreements from different accounts, the same account has liked all of your posts, which is saying something. If you cannot see from a different perspective, maybe it's time to grow up a little and try. But judging by your username, there's a very slim chance of that happening. Happy Easter everyone!
 

KentwellCup>ShuteShield

Jimmy Flynn (14)
No one is seriously suggesting that girls at a school will attract more rugby talent... it's clearly people taking the piss...

If you're not a first quality player you don't deserve to play 1stXV. And when you have 150 boys in a year group and are trying to compete with schools with 200 more boys in each year group, and already established rugby cultures, you have to go about things a different way. Pretty simple to understand.
How does barker not have an established rugby culture?
 

Crashy

Arch Winning (36)
How does barker not have an established rugby culture?
Yeah I found that comment odd. As a 1994 leaver who played in a good 2ndXV I would beg to differ.

Speaking of, check out this video from 1930. Knox vs Barker. Looks like a rugby culture there. Good to see the physicality there between these 2 old rivals.

 

rod skellet

Bob Davidson (42)
Interesting pre season for Barker with the GPS comp going to a 2 round comp. Starting on the 29th April, Barker play, Riverview, Newington, St Pats, Nudgee (Qld), Stannies. CAS comp start on 3rd June. Barker plays Aloys away then is home to Waverly. Final game is Knox at Knox on 5th August. The game against Nudgee at Barker on 20th May will be interesting. Nudgee will be out for revenge after being spanked last year.
 

Halfbackenthusiast

Ted Fahey (11)
Does anyone know if Cranbrook has a tour of trial games planned these holidays? They play Kings 1st trial game after holidays who seem to be favourites to win GPS. Looks to be a massive statement from Cranbrook that they've got big aspirations this year.
 

RedOrDead

Ted Thorn (20)
which ones?

I believe they only had 4 in 2020. Chaplain's XV was 4ths that year, instead of being 5ths or 6th as it is usually. Could be wrong. Still, coming from a GPS school to Barker, what I can tell you is that rugby culture is almost non-existent. However, this is the case with all sport at Barker. It just feels like this is bound to happen when going co-ed.
 
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Flavio

Ward Prentice (10)
Methinks there is some discontent regarding sport in the CAS and GPS


As our summer sports season draws to a close and we contend in the CAS Swimming Championships, discussion surfaces again about sporting scholarships in our school competition. It is an aspect of that win-at-all-costs culture that is abroad in these times. And it is put before young men and women in schools as something to accept unquestioningly and to emulate.

Wealthy schools easily buy results. In so doing, they teach students that people are just commodities and that anything can be purchased for the right price. Schools that place winning over the educational values of sport are doing themselves and their students an enormous disservice

Those fellows first came to Aloys to find a community, not to forge a contract. Here we value people. Here, loyalties grow year by year. Flashing a fistful of dollars to change your colours and your commitment is not our way. Allegiances are not for sale. Indeed, we make that point very clearly now in our printed Rugby and Football programmes each week both here and at Saint Ignatius', Riverview. We put the year of a boy’s enrolment at the College next to his name to indicate they are not recent acquisitions.

At one time, the independent schools of Australia had an agreement that sporting scholarships would not be offered. Not so now. This is ‘open season’ for chequebook team building.
 
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