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Changes to the scoring of kicks at goal to be trialled

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crangs81

Larry Dwyer (12)
I wouldn't change anything though if i had to i'd make penalties worth 4 points. Teams would be more honest if they knew two penalties would cancel out any converted try they scored. Drop goals stay the same but to stop players Frans-spammiing from halfway with no repercussions, i'd do what previous posters have said and move back to where the ball was kicked from for a scrum.
 

Lindommer

Steve Williams (59)
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Continuing to play during the World Wars?

That's something "rugby league has done right"? :nta::nta: Mungoball playing through WWI shortly after its inception in Australia is the single biggest reason league is more popular than rugby in NSW and Queensland. The number of rugby players compared to mungoes who died in that conflict is quite significant. You about, Sean?

On reflection I suppose it was.
 
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Keithy

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I'm trying to think what rugby league has done right... No really.

State of Origin is good - but only for 2 states in one country.

... Nope that's it. Anyone else?

They paid their players which is why the sport started in the first place. Rugby was 100 years behind.
 

EVERYFWDTHINKTHEYREA6OR7

Syd Malcolm (24)
I would like just for maybe a stretch of at least a few years that the rules of rugby don't change.

Sick of the constant changes as it is difficult for players, coaches and fans.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
LEAVE SCORING IN THE BLOODY GAME THE HELL ALONE.

Fix the breakdown if you have to tinker. Start with refs. Build a special brain and implant in all their heads.

If a team can drop kick you to the gutter or force you into penalties and beat you like that you are not good enough.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
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I don't mind trials of law changes because sometimes they make a mockery of nice theories.

However I agree with Blue and others: there are other things that are more urgent.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Varsity Cup always lead in the front with this new rules. They tried and tested a few in the past and I still feel the white card one worked well when the captain was able the ask on replays for foul play or forward passes.

Sport24
Exciting new Varsity Cup rules
2011-11-17 19:32Email | Print

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Cape Town - The Varsity Cup Rugby competition will - once again - lend itself to experimentation, with the importance of tries being the major focus ahead of the 2012 tournaments.

Varsity Cup Rugby, which now consists of the FNB Varsity Cup presented by Steinhoff International, the Varsity Shield, the Varsity Young Guns and the Steinhoff Koshuisrugby Championships (four 'properties' in all), will be trialing a new points-scoring system in 2012 - an experiment which could revolutionalise rugby union.

Thanks to a special dispensation from the International Rugby Board, the Varsity Cup Rugby organisers have changed around the value of points for the four 2012 Varsity Cup Rugby competitions - conversions will be worth three points and penalties and drop-goals will be worth just two points.

This means that four penalties or four drop-goals will equal to one converted try on the scoreboard, putting the emphasis back on tries to win matches... and, ultimately, trophies.

Varsity Cup Managing Director Duitser Bosman explained on varsitycup.co.za: "Our intention with this trial is to cement a culture of try-scoring in the various Varsity Cup Rugby properties. After all, rugby is about entertainment... and tries are entertaining.

"At the same time, however, the importance of the kicker must always be respected and that's why we have increased the value of the conversion - giving teams something of a 'bonus' to aim towards."

The Varsity Cup, which first began in 2008, is no stranger to experimentation - both in terms of law changes and off-field fun - and Bosman added: "The Varsity Cup has added tremendous value to South African rugby and we've always been up for experimenting - as we did with the white cards and the ELVs.

South African Referees Manager André Watson expressed his delight at this latest trial - despite being aware of the hard work that lay ahead for everyone involved.

"We have a great relationship with the Varsity Cup when it comes to trialing and experimenting with good ideas," said Watson, "but, as usual, this trial involves plenty of hard work. We will be keeping dedicated statistics and monitor the results as the tournament goes along.

"There is a possibility that we could pay a price somewhere along the line in a bid to create more tries, but we will be having a briefing with the various Varsity Cup Rugby coaches and referees in late January and we will have to up-skill everyone and we aware of the potential pitfalls.

"The key, however, is that you'll never know something until you try it. One would think this experiment would definitely lead to more tries... but you'd also imagine that a few more penalties will be conceded on purpose... the exciting part is that we'll soon see for ourselves how this works out."

Ikey Tigers head coach Kevin Foote, whose team will be defending their title come 2012, is also excited as this new change could benefit the Capetonians who are renowned for their try-scoring exploits.

"Everyone loves to see loads of tries scored," said Foote, "and UCT have always been a team keen on giving the ball air and (thereby) reaping the rewards; rewards which are now that much greater with a possible eight points up for grabs (as a converted try).

"Of course, winning remains our only priority and we need to ensure we retain our discipline on both attack and defence throughout - no matter how many points are at stake."

The 2012 Varsity Cup Rugby season gets underway on Monday, January 30 with the Varsity Shield, followed by the Cup and Young Guns the following Monday (February 6) and the Koshuisrugby Championships on February 13.

The fixtures for all 2012 Varsity Cup Rugby tournaments can be found on www.varsitycup.co.za
 

Mank

Ted Thorn (20)
Sounds like a great idea Dan. I haven't heard it before. It would make you think twice about those 55 metre kicks.

Are those 55 meter drop kicks a big problem? I don't see many of them attempted, and when they are, the game starts again pretty quick. Do Australia attempt many long range drop goals?
 

Mank

Ted Thorn (20)
Agree with everything you say...except I'd love to find a way to stop the kicks for penalty

But that's easy without messing with anything. I'd guess that 90% of penalties are avoidable (scrum penalties sometimes not). So just have your team not infringe = no penalties, more tries, exactly what you want right?
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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I woulda thought the pendulum in the last few years would categorically prove that the points system is about right, it's the "interpretations", especially at the breakdown, that generate the penalties or stop the free flow that change the game.

For fuck sake don't give the Kiwis more licence lie all over the fucken place
 

Schadenfreude

John Solomon (38)
I woulda thought the pendulum in the last few years would categorically prove that the points system is about right, it's the "interpretations", especially at the breakdown, that generate the penalties or stop the free flow that change the game.

For fuck sake don't give the Kiwis more licence lie all over the fucken place

I'd say it was the inconsistency of interpretations, but yeah - what he said.
 

liquor box

Greg Davis (50)
I wouldn't change anything though if i had to i'd make penalties worth 4 points. Teams would be more honest if they knew two penalties would cancel out any converted try they scored. Drop goals stay the same but to stop players Frans-spammiing from halfway with no repercussions, i'd do what previous posters have said and move back to where the ball was kicked from for a scrum.

Moving back to the point a penalty was taken would have a similar effect too.

I am happy with the way things are done now, but someone mentioned bonus points for certain tries, I think there could be merit in an extra point if you score a try after bing awarded a penalty without the opposition gaining posession. Even if it take 20 phases you still get the additional point. My big worry with this would be the change to the games traditional structure.

My ideal bonus point structure would only apply to a series of games/S15 where you award bonus points for scoring tries after a penalty- maybe .1 bonus point on the team standings ladder/log for every time this happens. Over a S15 season this would be a significant amount.
 
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