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TOCC

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I said Douglas was very lucky to be selected in the first place and in my opinion he didn't make a good enough show of it against the team which counted..
Bring Timani back into the starting side, but we are going to have an issue on the EOYT since Sharpie wont be touring... Timani and Douglas are not the appropriate locking partnership the Wallabies need, we need a line out specialist in there.. RD will likely go with Simmons but i think Adam Wallace-Harrison should get a call up.
 
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Jiggles

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I don't think you can say the same about Shipperley at all. He has been rather industrious at the end of a backline which is, to put it bluntly, shithouse.

Back to the locks - Douglas could be a long term back up option if he pulls his finger out. Perhaps looking at tapes of Thorn or trying to get in touch with him for a chat, could help. I'd feel much safer with him on the bench covering Kev than Timani who has no skills and only decides to play once a season.
 
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Phil Kearns (64)
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Jiggles said:
I don't think you can say the same about Shipperley at all. He has been rather industrious at the end of a backline which is, to put it bluntly, shithouse.

Back to the locks - Douglas could be a long term back up option if he pulls his finger out. Perhaps looking at tapes of Thorn or trying to get in touch with him for a chat, could help. I'd feel much safer with him on the bench covering Kev than Timani who has no skills and only decides to play once a season.
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I think I actually disagree with every single thing in this post. Oh, except the bit about our backline being shithouse. That we can all agree on.
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Phil Kearns (64)
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Jiggles said:
I don't think you can say the same about Shipperley at all. He has been rather industrious at the end of a backline which is, to put it bluntly, shithouse.

Back to the locks - Douglas could be a long term back up option if he pulls his finger out. Perhaps looking at tapes of Thorn or trying to get in touch with him for a chat, could help. I'd feel much safer with him on the bench covering Kev than Timani who has no skills and only decides to play once a season.
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But being more specific:

1. Disagree, think Shipperley has been nothing special in both tests. Tried hard, achieved not much.

2. How do you mean 'pulls his finger out'? Are you suggesting he has an attitude problem? He was outstanding in one test, anonymous in another. If he can replicate that GC form he can be very good for us. I think it is a bit harsh to want to turf someone after they were almost MoTM in their debut (according to this site anyway).

3. How would a conversation with Brad Thorn help? He has a raft of qualified coaches at every level, I'm sure he isn't short of advice. I would suggest the guy has a pretty good knowledge of what he has to do, it is just doing it. Don't get me wrong I am not advocating he does nothing, just think that is a very strange solution to this problem. I would suggest more experience at top-level intensity, but that's just me.

4. Timani decides to play 'once a season'? This is just a nothing comment plucked totally from your arse. He has been one of the Wallabies better players in the last two tests he has played, so surely that debunks that stat?
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Shipperly hasn't been looking for work and touches?

Douglas shouldn't look at Thorn as an example of how a THL should play?

Timani has an amazing skill set?

Timani has played more than 40 minutes of good test rugby?

What ever you smoke, I'd love some.
 
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Will Genia (78)
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You could equally provide the Brad Thorn advice to James Horwill or any other tight head lock. He is an example of what they all should be doing. I think most of the players are beyond just needing a few words of advice to find out what they should be doing on the field.

David Campese could also tell Dom Shipperley that he should score more tries. Whilst it is entirely true, it's not actually going to help anyone.

Coming in off your wing to have the odd run is part of being a modern day winger. It's good that Shipperley knows that this is part of his job, but I don't think you can give him too much praise for being aware that it is part of his role.
 
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Phil Kearns (64)
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Not sure you saw my expanded post, but just to clarify:

Jiggles said:
Shipperly hasn't been looking for work and touches? Needs to do more, hasn't penetrated enough for my liking so far.

Douglas shouldn't look at Thorn as an example of how a THL should play? Yes, but as Braveheart said it's not like watching one game (or ten) will suddenly turn him into a brilliant player.

Timani has an amazing skill set? No-one ever said that, he's a lock FFS.

Timani has played more than 40 minutes of good test rugby? Yes.

What ever you smoke, I'd love some.
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John Solomon (38)
I think we'd all agree that the pace of a player's development varies from player to player.
Kane has now had a taste of the big time and most of the next stage of his development will be in his hands.
He can rest up in the off season and feel content about his 2012 season OR bust his arse (like religiously embracing Brad Thorn's core strength workout) and realise his potential.....the 2013 Super Rugby season will reveal whether he can kick on to the next level.
Realistically, that next level is owning a regular spot in the Wallaby squad of 22.
His challenge reminds me of Simmons a few seasons ago, where he promised much but just hasn't reached the levels we thought he would.
Good luck to Douglas.
 
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Jiggles

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en_force_er said:
Timani and Douglas have potential as a starting pairing if Mowen starts, he's a lineout wizard.
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According to these forums, I thought Dennis was supposed to be a lineout wizard also. Is he Injured?
 
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Peter Sullivan (51)
TOCC said:
I said Douglas was very lucky to be selected in the first place and in my opinion he didn't make a good enough show of it against the team which counted..
Bring Timani back into the starting side, but we are going to have an issue on the EOYT since Sharpie wont be touring. Timani and Douglas are not the appropriate locking partnership the Wallabies need, we need a line out specialist in there.. RD will likely go with Simmons but i think Adam Wallace-Harrison should get a call up.
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So do I but it aint gonna happen. Two reasons 1) AWH's age & 2) the constant obsession with who is the future as opposed to who'll simply get the job done in the present. Not a fan of discounting players over those x2 reasons. I'll put my hand up & say I am a big fan of AWH. I thought he was very good for the Reds this year.
 
Groucho

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Greg Davis (50)
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Douglas was blown off the ball with the rest of the 8 on Saturday

Timani? I don't know - does good stuff and then not

I would be happier with Shipperley if had beaten a defender on kick return, so far? He has done nothing to show he is a test winger
http://www.rugbystats.com.au/rugby/?refresh=1349241187002
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Like many outright fast men, such as Turner, Shipperley lacks explosiveness. Great in a foot race but not so much at test level with a high quality defensive line between him and the tryline. Unlike (say) JOC (James O'Connor), Ioane and Mitchell who can often get past the best defenders one on one.
 
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Groucho said:
Like many outright fast men, such as Turner, Shipperley lacks explosiveness. Great in a foot race but not so much at test level with a high quality defensive line between him and the tryline. Unlike (say) JOC (James O'Connor), Ioane and Mitchell who can often get past the best defenders one on one.
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You did watch Super Rugby this year. Shipperleys tries weren't just from a foot race....
 
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Phil Kearns (64)
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Care to show us any of his 'explosive' highlights from the two tests he has played?

And you still haven't answered our concerns above, he has been rather inneffective at the top level so far. Deserves another shot or two but needs to produce something soon, I would suggest Cooper Vuna performed better than Ships has so far.
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Jiggles

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barbarian said:
Care to show us any of his 'explosive' highlights from the two tests he has played?

And you still haven't answered our concerns above, he has been rather inneffective at the top level so far. Deserves another shot or two but needs to produce something soon, I would suggest Cooper Vuna performed better than Ships has so far.
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Ok you're input into this debate has just lost all credibility.
 
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Phil Kearns (64)
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Jiggles said:
Ok you're input into this debate has just lost all credibility.
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Thanks for engaging constructively, as always.

Vuna had some defensive frailties, sure. But he threatened the line and broke tackles. Ships has gotten through more work than Vuna, but has it been effective? Keep in mind the Wallaby backline was equally disfunctional against the Welsh, maybe more so with Barnes at 10.
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