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Proposed Nations Championship

waiopehu oldboy

waiopehu oldboy

George Smith (75)
WorkingClassRugger said:
In the original article it's mentioned it could see revenues increase by 40% with the prospect of that being higher. If so, then a compromise could be an appearance fee paid to nations that are the away team.

Unless the increase in revenue is significant enough to be able to divvy it up equally.
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I don't think it's ever going to be equal shares but the likes of Fiji need to be getting way more than the pittance they currently receive. A pittance plus 40% is still a pittance if the other guy's are getting £1Mn plus.
 
Rebel man

Rebel man

John Thornett (49)
The issue is you need equalisation to grow the game but the rich never want to sign up to it. If all the rugby championship nations had more to invest into their domestic markets the standard would improve (granted NZ and SA go okay in that regard) and the game would grow its fan base and engage with more corporate support bringing more money into the game.
 
WorkingClassRugger

WorkingClassRugger

Michael Lynagh (62)
waiopehu oldboy said:
^ I just hope they (& Rugby Australia, NZR, SARU & UAR) play hardball on this & don't settle for a pro rata increase on the current appearance fees.
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Yep. In a perfect world each nation involved in both divisions would see an equal share of the total revenue (TV and advertising) but I'd be shocked and delighted but mostly shocked if that were the outcome unless the $ on offer are huge. The best I think we could hope for is a 2 to 1 split. So if there's say $100m (certainly would want there to be substantially more but it's a decent figure to provide an example)on offer then we'll see $33m of that reach those in the Challenger Series. Which I know isn't perfect but it sure would be pretty significant for a number of those Unions.
 
Dan54

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
Looks an interesting concept to me Wilson, and by just taking RC and 6N out of it for qualifying, can open the way for promotion/relegation in future without stuffing up those comps.
 
Adam84

Adam84

John Eales (66)
A few interesting remarks.

It will be owned by SANZAAR and 6 Nations instead of World Rugby; how does the revenue sharing then work for the invitational teams?

Also the statement reads that the two competitions will “pave the way for promotion and relegation matches”, but offers no assurance of when that will happen.
 
hifflepiff

hifflepiff

Charlie Fox (21)
Adam84 said:
A few interesting remarks.

It will be owned by SANZAAR and 6 Nations instead of World Rugby; how does the revenue sharing then work for the invitational teams?

Also the statement reads that the two competitions will “pave the way for promotion and relegation matches”, but offers no assurance of when that will happen.
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There won't be promotion and relegation, there's no incentive for the unions running the show. It'll stay a closed shop ala 6 Nations.
 
Wilson

Wilson

John Eales (66)
Adam84 said:
A few interesting remarks.

It will be owned by SANZAAR and 6 Nations instead of World Rugby; how does the revenue sharing then work for the invitational teams?

Also the statement reads that the two competitions will “pave the way for promotion and relegation matches”, but offers no assurance of when that will happen.
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Yeah, reads very specifically like the current big 10 will own it, and anyone else can count themselves lucky to be invited
 
waiopehu oldboy

waiopehu oldboy

George Smith (75)
Adam84 said:
A few interesting remarks.

It will be owned by SANZAAR and 6 Nations instead of World Rugby; how does the revenue sharing then work for the invitational teams?

Also the statement reads that the two competitions will “pave the way for promotion and relegation matches”, but offers no assurance of when that will happen.
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WR (World Rugby) will run the second-tier comp that will likely lose a ton of money but will provide a promotion pathway from 2030.
 
Dan54

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
qwerty51 said:
I love it. Fuck the haters. Look after yourselves. Brings in more revenue. Big surprise but I don't give a fuck about Georgian rugby. The game is dying here (and NZ).

Use the international money to start a new sustainable domestic comp.
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I with you gwerty, pretty keen on it (apart from I do perhaps give a damn about Georgia, Samoa etc etc). We all have to remember it something new so plenty will be against because they have got better ideas etc.
I know there are always things to be ironed out, but we have to remember a couple of things, it being run by Saanzar and 6Ns, that's ok , let WR (World Rugby) concetrate on the tier 2 comp for now. I think we all see Japan and Fiji as being the invited teams in etc, and makes sense. There is actually no reason why it has to be closed shop, if there a promotion/relegation they can still I sure work around new teams by 6N teams still in world league still playing 6N and play another against Georgia or whoever. For tier 2 teams, won't they also see the chance for more games against tier 1 teams as ABs, Wallabies etc I imagine are going to want warm up games. I like to look at positives I know, but I still think it is good for the game worldwide.
 
Adam84

Adam84

John Eales (66)
After consideration, my opinion is this structure doesn’t benefit Tier 2 at all, it’s going to widen the gap between those that are included and those that aren’t. SANZAAR and 6 Nations are feathering their own nest at the expense of the potential growth of the others.

They talk about promotion relegation pathway from 2030, but no assurances that will ever happen.There will now be less windows for Tier 1 teams to play Tier 2 teams.

I like the concept of structuring the test windows better, however World Rugby should own the concept and the two tiers should be considered holistically with funding models seeing relative distributions between the two to ensure the Tier 2 can close the gap and improve in competitiveness also.

Let’s be honest here, the biggest factor here is 6 Nations and SANZAAR unions chasing extra dollars.
 
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Adam84

Adam84

John Eales (66)
So i guess some of the outcomes and considerations from this going forward are; that a new company will be established jointly owned by SANZAAR and 6Nations. This ’company’ will take control of selling advertising and broadcast rights, in addition to all the marketing/scheduling/logistics etc.

I’m curious as to how the ownership model will work, whether it’s 50:50 between SANZAAR and 6Nations, or relative to the number of unions (60:40). Also interested in the revenue sharing model, will each team(including invitationals) get an equal cut, or will 6Nations and SANZAAR take the lion share with a smaller distribution to the invitational team.

Also interested to see what is included in the revenue sharing model and what isn’t, will each union sell the domestic advertising rights like SANZAAR do with the TRC, or will it be a centralised model like the 6Nations/RWC. Will matchday revenue be distributed more evenly between host and visiting teams? There has to be some kind of agreement there now since Unions have lost the ability to negotiate test matches individually.
 
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