• Welcome to the Green and Gold Rugby forums. As you can see we've upgraded the forums to new software. Your old logon details should work, just click the 'Login' button in the top right.

NSW AAGPS 2024

DaSchmooze

Johnnie Wallace (23)
Newington has a 30-year agreement for Tempe fields and is pumping millions into upgrading the drainage, lighting and even putting in a synthetic pitch. Newington already has far more school-based playing fields than Scots or Cranbrook before that.
Why would resources be diluted? everyone is assuming that the male intake will drop so girls can come in. The school owns large areas of Stanmore and has already built a new boarding house and prep school. expanding the footprint will not be an issue and the extra income from fees will go towards additional resources. Swimming, rugby, football and athletics will likely be the first girls sports introduced as they have the facilities and resources ready to go.
It will also create a new hub for girls rugby that is not located on the North Shore, so it is a win win. It will be great to see Newington girls take on Barker and Pymble, rugby will be better for it.

Possibly - but the local council may have a say in those numbers. I know Scots has ongoing battles with how many enrolments they are allowed to have and I would imagine the same applies to Newington.
 

AroundTheAnkles

Dave Cowper (27)
Very heavily debated topic. I tend to believe that statistical trend because it is consistent with my experiences.

The fact of the matter is most only will experience one form of private school education. I am in a rare position as I have the insight of attending both an elite GPS school, and a co-ed school. The common trend regarding the GPS school was dissatisfaction amongst parents. However, I have yet to hear a negative word about Barker, from students or teachers alike. Could this be more of a reflection on the school itself? Yes, but I tend to think a co-ed environment heavily contributes to the positive environment of the school.

From experience, I think the "we specialise in teaching boys" rhetoric is a scam. I don't think these schools achieve adequate character development, because I don't think these environments effectively discipline boys. Also, the lack of female interaction will always mean a severe lack in social education.

Time will tell, but I am 100% convinced both Newington and Cranbrook will become far healthier environments. This is especially positive for Cranbrook who seem to have a recurring "scandal" appearing amongst their boys. I imagine this "scandal" will become far less prevalent.

I do understand this is a rugby forum though, and I do believe Cranbrook and Newington's rugby program will suffer. My one "complaint," (and I use that word loosely) about co-ed education, is a noticed a significant drop off on the competitive nature of boys, however, I definitely don't think that's an objective negative.

Open up your minds, don't get left behind.
So the data you refer to is mostly feelings based. Thanks for clarifying. If a boy or girl struggles socially that might have a bit more to do with the family. To be clear, I don’t have any data to support that just casual observations.
 

Goosestep

Syd Malcolm (24)
Because it's better.

Times are changing. Boys clubs for misognystic meatheads are outdated.

There's a reason Barker has the longest waitlist of any school in Australia right now. I think you'll find both Newington and Cranbrook in time, will become far more in demand.
It will be the opposite, schools like trinity and Scot’s will be laughing .. they just rid of their closest competitors..
 

Goosestep

Syd Malcolm (24)
Newington has a 30-year agreement for Tempe fields and is pumping millions into upgrading the drainage, lighting and even putting in a synthetic pitch. Newington already has far more school-based playing fields than Scots or Cranbrook before that.
Why would resources be diluted? everyone is assuming that the male intake will drop so girls can come in. The school owns large areas of Stanmore and has already built a new boarding house and prep school. expanding the footprint will not be an issue and the extra income from fees will go towards additional resources. Swimming, rugby, football and athletics will likely be the first girls sports introduced as they have the facilities and resources ready to go.
It will also create a new hub for girls rugby that is not located on the North Shore, so it is a win win. It will be great to see Newington girls take on Barker and Pymble, rugby will be better for it.
Because rugby is already struggling to stay relevant @ private schools, especially in the inner west … football and afl r making huge gains .. schools like trinity used to have 3 rugby ovals now have one . I think your severely overestimating the demand for female rugby 7s
 
Last edited:

Goosestep

Syd Malcolm (24)
Very heavily debated topic. I tend to believe that statistical trend because it is consistent with my experiences.

The fact of the matter is most only will experience one form of private school education. I am in a rare position as I have the insight of attending both an elite GPS school, and a co-ed school. The common trend regarding the GPS school was dissatisfaction amongst parents. However, I have yet to hear a negative word about Barker, from students or teachers alike. Could this be more of a reflection on the school itself? Yes, but I tend to think a co-ed environment heavily contributes to the positive environment of the school.

From experience, I think the "we specialise in teaching boys" rhetoric is a scam. I don't think these schools achieve adequate character development, because I don't think these environments effectively discipline boys. Also, the lack of female interaction will always mean a severe lack in social education.

Time will tell, but I am 100% convinced both Newington and Cranbrook will become far healthier environments. This is especially positive for Cranbrook who seem to have a recurring "scandal" appearing amongst their boys. I imagine this "scandal" will become far less prevalent.

I do understand this is a rugby forum though, and I do believe Cranbrook and Newington's rugby program will suffer. My one "complaint," (and I use that word loosely) about co-ed education, is a noticed a significant drop off on the competitive nature of boys, however, I definitely don't think that's an objective negative.

Open up your minds, don't get left behind.
It’s not heavily debated at all .. The research is clear girls do better at all girls schools, you can’t even argue this. And I don’t have a dog in the fight, that’s just what the hard data has said over and over again .
 

AroundTheAnkles

Dave Cowper (27)
Because it's better.

Times are changing. Boys clubs for misognystic meatheads are outdated.

There's a reason Barker has the longest waitlist of any school in Australia right now. I think you'll find both Newington and Cranbrook in time, will become far more in demand.
Gosh, why is the wait list so short then if you are a Panthers contracted development player? That aside, if you know anything you’d know that lads at GPS schools are no more misogynistic than those found at Barker. If you rely on a school to ensure your son doesn’t become an arsehole then you might have other problems. Your bias is understood, no problem but please don’t slander entire cohorts based on your feelings.
 

Goosestep

Syd Malcolm (24)
The Aussie women's 7's have just won the Dubai sevens competition 4 years in a row. The demand is objectively increasing/going to increase.
And how many sides does that translate to a girls private schools ? One per age group? …

as ghostofraelene said … sports like waterpolo and swimming are far more dominate
 

GPSlads

Chris McKivat (8)
Pretty simple... Statistics show boys learn better in co-ed environments and girls don't.

As for the rest of you sooks. If you don't like co-ed schools, don't send your kids there. As someone who attended both, I think co-ed is a far superior schooling environment. But if you don't, don't send your kids there.
Talks about “data” , then calls everyone who disagrees with him “sooks” lol

“AgREe WiTH mY OPiNIoN You MIsOGYnIsTS Or ELsE!”
 

Homer

Ted Fahey (11)
And how many sides does that translate to a girls private schools ? One per age group? …

as ghostofraelene said … sports like waterpolo and swimming are far more dominate
Those sports are summer for a start and waterpolo is popular, even if 10-15 years ago it didn't really exist. Sound familiar?
PLC Pymble has around 75 registered rugby players and growing, thats 75 better than 0. Women's participation is up 10% overall and the schools and clubs are just getting started and building comps. Why would we deliberately shoot down a great growth opportunity, are you saying dont try because you might fail? Or don't try because schools like Trinity aren't any good anymore? so therefore everyone should stop trying.
 

Goosestep

Syd Malcolm (24)
Those sports are summer for a start and waterpolo is popular, even if 10-15 years ago it didn't really exist. Sound familiar?
PLC Pymble has around 75 registered rugby players and growing, thats 75 better than 0. Women's participation is up 10% overall and the schools and clubs are just getting started and building comps. Why would we deliberately shoot down a great growth opportunity, are you saying dont try because you might fail? Or don't try because schools like Trinity aren't any good anymore? so therefore everyone should stop trying.
Look hope ur right, I really do . but I doubt rugby will ever be a top tier sport at private girls schools … for many factors …Including the fact that NONE of the leading girls private schools in area are play rugby now … not PLC, not Meriden..why don’t they have sides if it’s so popular ?

Are we expected to believe just because Newington goes co-ed suddenly female rugby is going to flourish in the area? lol

You don’t even know if it’s going to be offered as a sport in the first place .
and going on the male trends the sport is in decline at school anyway.

anyway isnt the first goal to be promoting the sport outside the private school bubble ?
 
Last edited:

RedOrDead

Ted Thorn (20)
It’s not heavily debated at all .. The research is clear girls do better at all girls schools, you can’t even argue this. And I don’t have a dog in the fight, that’s just what the hard data has said over and over again .

I quite literally said exactly that.
 

dusk

Cyril Towers (30)
Anyone have a newington first team prediction?

specifically interested in the backs
9. C Hickey
10. Humphries
11. Talis McEwen
12. Callum Grantham
13. Hemasi Makasini
14. Baxter Warner
15. Rodwell

Really depends on if Rodwell is going to start at full-back or fly-half
 

Masked Crusader

Ward Prentice (10)
Gosh, why is the wait list so short then if you are a Panthers contracted development player? That aside, if you know anything you’d know that lads at GPS schools are no more misogynistic than those found at Barker. If you rely on a school to ensure your son doesn’t become an arsehole then you might have other problems. Your bias is understood, no problem but please don’t slander entire cohorts based on your feelings.
I think that @RedOrDead claims about longest wait lists are a bit like the data he refers to. Made up “facts” and feelings.
 

Goosestep

Syd Malcolm (24)
So coed is good but not so much for the girls who are just there to pacify and civilise the boys. Hmmm, that sounds a bit misogynistic.
I think that @RedOrDead claims about longest wait lists are a bit like the data he refers to. Made up “facts” and feelings.
He’s wrong be it boys or girls …

The majority of the HSC top 50 schools in the state be it private or public are single sex schools .. … including 5 or 6 “misogynistic” GPS schools who out rank his Barker utopia.
 
Top