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Herbert Moran (7)
What injury has Green sustained and how long is he out for ?
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What injury has Green sustained and how long is he out for ?
TheKing
Colin Windon (37)
Conrad Green needed a second shoulder reconstruction to repair a labrum tear.
It appears to be a potential career-ender if he can't get it fixed, so missing 2017 is a definite.
It sounds like money is tight at home so Conrad is asking for donations to help out with the cost of an expensive surgery.
Here is the link for anyone who can spare a dollar or two to help an ambitious young man get back to pursuing his dream.
-> https://www.gofundme.com/conrads-shoulder-surgery <-
Digby2016
Ward Prentice (10)
Firstly GPS1,2 and 3 are really picked by the First 15 coaches. It really means nothing. Secondly I would hate to be GPS 1 No.9 as they have not gone on the represent QLD for the last 3 years, they have missed out all together. Interesting.
I understand Churchie lost one of their new boy after only 1 week. They have 2 others and they also have some 6 boys back from last year. They will be solid this year but as history tells us it is a very tough competition to win.IMO they will finish about 4th.
I understand Churchie lost one of their new boy after only 1 week. They have 2 others and they also have some 6 boys back from last year. They will be solid this year but as history tells us it is a very tough competition to win.IMO they will finish about 4th.
Garry Owens
Alan Cameron (40)
Its anyone's ballgame in the #3 to #8 spots
TSS and NC #'s 1 and 2 and everyone else jockeying for #3 to #8
TSS and NC #'s 1 and 2 and everyone else jockeying for #3 to #8
TheKing
Colin Windon (37)
15/29 Australian U20s this year have come through the GPS.
Interestingly, no Harry Hoopert?
Stiles said in the post-Hurricanes press conference that if any more props went down, Hoopert would get his Super Rugby debut next. Clearly Simon Cron doesn't share Stiles' opinion
Edit: Turns out he's injured and out for the season /rant
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Interestingly, no Harry Hoopert?
Stiles said in the post-Hurricanes press conference that if any more props went down, Hoopert would get his Super Rugby debut next. Clearly Simon Cron doesn't share Stiles' opinion
Edit: Turns out he's injured and out for the season /rant
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Garry Owens
Alan Cameron (40)
With a range of 33% to 40% representing Australian Schools over the last several years
Yet resources and attention went to establishing bases in WA and Victoria to piss in the tall weeds with the big dogs ( AFL and 5 kick ) and now 20 years is largely down the shitter with whoever survives out of the Force or Rebels having to deal with an increasingly disenfranchised base
The Brisbane GPS Competition trudges on however and continues to produce the goods as inarguably the premier schoolboy Rugby competition in Australia
Yet resources and attention went to establishing bases in WA and Victoria to piss in the tall weeds with the big dogs ( AFL and 5 kick ) and now 20 years is largely down the shitter with whoever survives out of the Force or Rebels having to deal with an increasingly disenfranchised base
The Brisbane GPS Competition trudges on however and continues to produce the goods as inarguably the premier schoolboy Rugby competition in Australia
WaltBrisney
Peter Burge (5)
Yes, Brisbane GPS schools do an exceptional job of collecting talent from QLD, NSW, WA, VIC, PNG, Fiji and NZ.
I'm not sure it is inarguably the premiere competition though. Surely there would be other criteria besides number of ex GPS students in the Australian Under 20s or Wallabies. This might measure the concentration of talent but doesn't reveal much else.
There are some massive flaws within GPS rugby, some of which significantly hinder player development.
There is no doubt there are many talented players running around in this intense completion but claiming superiority is the elitist talk that has made it hard for Rugby to make inroads in other markets.
The survival of the game actually depends on expansion, otherwise we are a niche sport at best.
I'm not sure it is inarguably the premiere competition though. Surely there would be other criteria besides number of ex GPS students in the Australian Under 20s or Wallabies. This might measure the concentration of talent but doesn't reveal much else.
There are some massive flaws within GPS rugby, some of which significantly hinder player development.
There is no doubt there are many talented players running around in this intense completion but claiming superiority is the elitist talk that has made it hard for Rugby to make inroads in other markets.
The survival of the game actually depends on expansion, otherwise we are a niche sport at best.
Garry Owens
Alan Cameron (40)
You forgot to mention Northern Territory,Walt
That and any other 2nd generation +++ Australians within QLD and half way to Sydney
That and any other 2nd generation +++ Australians within QLD and half way to Sydney
Garry Owens
Alan Cameron (40)
And you are talking shit Walt
Of course Rugby is a niche Sport ( comparatively to League , AFL and Soccer )
The reason why Rugby hasn't made inroads into other markets is because it sold its soul under Darth John O'Neill and became confused and unsure as to its identity .
That, and grossly misjudging the "new media" that has been conscientiously repetitious as exemplified by the SANZAAR deal and which is the reason why everything old is in the process of becoming new again
Of course Rugby is a niche Sport ( comparatively to League , AFL and Soccer )
The reason why Rugby hasn't made inroads into other markets is because it sold its soul under Darth John O'Neill and became confused and unsure as to its identity .
That, and grossly misjudging the "new media" that has been conscientiously repetitious as exemplified by the SANZAAR deal and which is the reason why everything old is in the process of becoming new again
WaltBrisney
Peter Burge (5)
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Yes it draws in some very talented players but to say it carries the future of the game on its shoulders is a throwback to pre-professional days when the game was only played in private schools. It is a very different world now.
Not sure what you are saying about second generation Australians.
Not sure what your point is. Mine, in case you missed it, is that the strength or value of the Brisbane GPS, or any other comp, should not be measured solely on its ability to gather the best talent in the country.
Yes it draws in some very talented players but to say it carries the future of the game on its shoulders is a throwback to pre-professional days when the game was only played in private schools. It is a very different world now.
Not sure what you are saying about second generation Australians.
WaltBrisney
Peter Burge (5)
Just so I'm clear, are you saying rugby sold its soul and lost its identity when it looked to expand into non-traditional markets ie outside of Brisbane and Sydney?
I think where the ARU missed the boat was by selling out to Foxtel thereby making the game even more exclusive and inaccessible. Imagine if there was rugby on free to air and live every week.
Oldschool
Jim Clark (26)
Not sure why stating 15/29 u20's have come through the GPS school boys is elitist talk Walt, or calling it the Premier school boy comp is either for that matter. GPS certainly doesn't make it hard for rugby to make in roads, that's more in the QRU/NSWRU/ARU hands. In fact with the amount of "contracted" league boys playing 1st XV you could say it is making in roads as the top league clubs are putting their boy's through this GPS system.
Oldschool
Jim Clark (26)
"Massive flaws" is pretty strong Walt.
The 1st XV doesn't develop players as much as we would like that's for sure. Unless you call hitting the gym and teaching the league boys how to hit rucks, push in scrums and rugby basics 101 development. But the teams below this level and the age groups do a reasonable job in player development.
WaltBrisney
Peter Burge (5)
the statistic itself is not elitist but the words and ideas that followed are. It makes sense, if scouts are any good, that GPS would be well represented in rep teams. Doesn't mean the comp or the programs are necessarily the best. Your point about league players is one of the flaws in the system. There is another thread for scholarships but giving them out to league players is counterproductive. Adds talent to the GPS pool but does nothing for the future of the game.
For the record, I have loved watching GPS rugby since I was 12, and enjoyed being part of it in more ways than one, but I am realistic about its place in the scheme of things.
Countryjack
Alfred Walker (16)
Countryjack
Alfred Walker (16)
WTF
no Sam Edwards and he scores 3 tries in the final and was consistant in every game .
Garry Owens
Alan Cameron (40)
Well Walt ......to address your points / queries in sequential order in how you raised them :
1. The ability to gather best talent in the Country should not be the sole marker of success
I didn't say it was . You suggested that idea . But seeing as though you did ( and thank you that you did ) given the fact that the ARU has bled $28M + of unbudgeted expenditure to the Super Rugby franchises for the last 3 or 4 years , and , that the State Bodies / Local Bodies have no money of their own either , thank sweet fancy Moses for Australian Rugby that outside of their own fanciful follies - GPS recruiters have their shit together and are doing their part.
[Edit -It is fair to say that GPS Schools don't give a shit about any upstream flow or in "doing their part" that ultimately benefits Australian Rugby. Obviously Schools are only focused on their self interest. ]
The 2nd part of what I think you may have been trying to suggest ( like a lot of others who recoil as the initial assertion from time to time ) is that programs should be judged by levels of participation and success "down the line" for the little acorns who may one day become the oak.
The reality in this regard is that raw talent that is performing in mid teens generally holds in a higher % than the late bloomer if we separate ourselves from the emotion of the feel good stories of late bloomers
All of this is well and good in fanciful theory and celebrating the unpolished gems , but , Rugby's ego is writing cheques its body can't cash [ Credit : Maverick and Goose's Admiral in Top Gun .....meaning ..........it is not terribly efficient or practical ( financially ) in talking up and trying to implement a big game of expansion and combing every square inch of the country side trying to find the next [ insert name here ]
T'would be more efficient to concentrate them in one place . And gee wiz whaddayknow this is already occurring without any financial or operational assistance from the game's regulatory bodies.
2. 2nd Generation + Australians
I just wanted to make sure in this age of inclusivity we didn't exclude anyone from your original point given that we had covered other Australian States and persons of ethnic origins from PNG, Fiji and other Pacific Island states.
So long as we're talking about the Harvest Combine that is GPS Rugby I just wanted to make sure we didn't exclude the biggest majority minority of 2nd Generation + Australians from your example .
Problem Solved. Fixed.
3. Rugby selling its Soul
The historical reality of Rugby in Australia is that it was aspirant. Aspirant for a better life . A game that could take you places when the game was over. It was OK to want more , to be more in what you might ultimately become , the nobility of true self improvement - as opposed to now being the boi growing up on the mean streets and superimposing American Ghetto thug life into the clichéd existence that awaits many across all of our football codes ....and competing with 5 kick and AFL in the heartland of non core markets aren't ever going to cut it . Maybe for a season or two if the Reds ever win another Super Rugby title or the Wallabies manage to win a World Cup . But it will be fleeting ....not fundamental and we will revert to the niche sport we truly are and what the kool aid drinking administrators deny that we are
So drunk on our own hubris and with no clue as to business that become Pro Rugby ( and so being bereft of any meaningful strategic vision ) we recruited Wendell Sailor and Mat Rogers and Co to go big and put bums on seats as we focused on the superficial ....all in short term vision and grappling with the new driver ( content media ) of a new business that Rugby became in this Country , and which , at every level , the Game's Management has been an abject failure in trying to manage.
Free to Air Rugby
Again , nice in theory Walt but the game in Australia is literally broke , and that's a long stream of urine being jettisoned into Cyclone Debbie - hoping that the kiddies pick up a Gilbert instead of a Steeden .........
Can the game wait that long ?
Here is a thought . Maybe kids want to watch other kids just like they do in broadcasting First XV Rugby in New Zealand and Rep Junior Baseball and Basketball in the States . It may be repugnant to some , however , if you can provide a "'best in show" peer reflection through a popular medium ........gee wiz the look at me generation may well want to see what they can do to get amongst it . Is it a way for the ARU to align and ( gulp ) co-ordinate with Schools...and shock horror opens up potential ( alternate ) Revenue for Schools too ?
Or are they just going to keep raising taxes in their catchments by 10% every 2 years and then go ""Wotif" on rinky tink deals for those seats they don't sell ahead of time ?
1. The ability to gather best talent in the Country should not be the sole marker of success
I didn't say it was . You suggested that idea . But seeing as though you did ( and thank you that you did ) given the fact that the ARU has bled $28M + of unbudgeted expenditure to the Super Rugby franchises for the last 3 or 4 years , and , that the State Bodies / Local Bodies have no money of their own either , thank sweet fancy Moses for Australian Rugby that outside of their own fanciful follies - GPS recruiters have their shit together and are doing their part.
[Edit -It is fair to say that GPS Schools don't give a shit about any upstream flow or in "doing their part" that ultimately benefits Australian Rugby. Obviously Schools are only focused on their self interest. ]
The 2nd part of what I think you may have been trying to suggest ( like a lot of others who recoil as the initial assertion from time to time ) is that programs should be judged by levels of participation and success "down the line" for the little acorns who may one day become the oak.
The reality in this regard is that raw talent that is performing in mid teens generally holds in a higher % than the late bloomer if we separate ourselves from the emotion of the feel good stories of late bloomers
All of this is well and good in fanciful theory and celebrating the unpolished gems , but , Rugby's ego is writing cheques its body can't cash [ Credit : Maverick and Goose's Admiral in Top Gun .....meaning ..........it is not terribly efficient or practical ( financially ) in talking up and trying to implement a big game of expansion and combing every square inch of the country side trying to find the next [ insert name here ]
T'would be more efficient to concentrate them in one place . And gee wiz whaddayknow this is already occurring without any financial or operational assistance from the game's regulatory bodies.
2. 2nd Generation + Australians
I just wanted to make sure in this age of inclusivity we didn't exclude anyone from your original point given that we had covered other Australian States and persons of ethnic origins from PNG, Fiji and other Pacific Island states.
So long as we're talking about the Harvest Combine that is GPS Rugby I just wanted to make sure we didn't exclude the biggest majority minority of 2nd Generation + Australians from your example .
Problem Solved. Fixed.
3. Rugby selling its Soul
The historical reality of Rugby in Australia is that it was aspirant. Aspirant for a better life . A game that could take you places when the game was over. It was OK to want more , to be more in what you might ultimately become , the nobility of true self improvement - as opposed to now being the boi growing up on the mean streets and superimposing American Ghetto thug life into the clichéd existence that awaits many across all of our football codes ....and competing with 5 kick and AFL in the heartland of non core markets aren't ever going to cut it . Maybe for a season or two if the Reds ever win another Super Rugby title or the Wallabies manage to win a World Cup . But it will be fleeting ....not fundamental and we will revert to the niche sport we truly are and what the kool aid drinking administrators deny that we are
So drunk on our own hubris and with no clue as to business that become Pro Rugby ( and so being bereft of any meaningful strategic vision ) we recruited Wendell Sailor and Mat Rogers and Co to go big and put bums on seats as we focused on the superficial ....all in short term vision and grappling with the new driver ( content media ) of a new business that Rugby became in this Country , and which , at every level , the Game's Management has been an abject failure in trying to manage.
Free to Air Rugby
Again , nice in theory Walt but the game in Australia is literally broke , and that's a long stream of urine being jettisoned into Cyclone Debbie - hoping that the kiddies pick up a Gilbert instead of a Steeden .........
Can the game wait that long ?
Here is a thought . Maybe kids want to watch other kids just like they do in broadcasting First XV Rugby in New Zealand and Rep Junior Baseball and Basketball in the States . It may be repugnant to some , however , if you can provide a "'best in show" peer reflection through a popular medium ........gee wiz the look at me generation may well want to see what they can do to get amongst it . Is it a way for the ARU to align and ( gulp ) co-ordinate with Schools...and shock horror opens up potential ( alternate ) Revenue for Schools too ?
Or are they just going to keep raising taxes in their catchments by 10% every 2 years and then go ""Wotif" on rinky tink deals for those seats they don't sell ahead of time ?
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