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QLD Premier Rugby 2014

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Tigers Tale

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Hey Tigers Tale I noticed Doubles Daly was at Bottomley again yesterday. Have the Tigers gained a new fan? Has Doubles finally seen the light?

Yes Pauly I did see him there - something must have gone down at Chipsy Wood - but he has lots of friends at Tigerland and I think we'd happily adopt him. He's a great character who was christened "Doubles" by Denis Owens.
 
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Tigers Tale

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TT - how'd Brad Wilken go in his first game back?

He only was allowed to play 40 minutes in an Easts team that was outclassed, but he did pull off some good hits in defence.

Lets hope he strings some games together - he might be needed in Prems soon as they are really missing the back row class of last year Bertini, Butler & Gunn but the only one they'll see is Gunn and unless they can win 2 of the next 3 their season maybe as good as gone.
 
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SX/TD I feel your pain 3 losses in 3 rounds to 3 of the 2013 finals sides all by less than 6 points - cruel.
 

Penguin

John Solomon (38)
Souths will struggle for the rest of the year. Mafi Kefu has retired & as the only back with experience will be sorely missed and the highly talented fullback Muirhead has been either poached by a Shute Shield team or an ITM team (it was unclear with my source) - a by product of the NPC maybe.... They have a top forward pack but just no depth in the backs & those two were lynchpins.
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
I don't think I've seen a forward pack play as dominantly as University did on the weekend. They were absolutely relentless.

On paper, and 90% of the time, on the field, Easts have the best forward pack in the competition, but they were blown away by Uni's intensity and speed at the breakdown.

You could tell their game plan was to rush defence and then flood the breakdown, and it did work. It gave the illusion of them being offside, but most of the time it was simple quick line speed.

I can't think of any really stand outs from the Uni pack, because they were all dominant as a unit. In the backs, they were nothing outstanding to write home about, except for Will Thompson, who was bloody brilliant at half back.

If University can play like that, as a dominant forward unit, for the season, I can't see anyone beating them. Very impressive.

For Easts, I don't think the scoreline did them justice. University were the better team, but the Tigers definatly showed they are up there as contenders. Those two late tries blew out the scoreline.

There was a period in the second half where the Tigers held off about 10 raids inside their own 22m, but failed to get back down the other end.

In this time, there was two key moments that essentially lost them the game.

1) Bartley's dropped ball with no one in front. White made a great line break from his own 22, and then got it to Wilder who then threw a perfect inside ball, which was dropped with no one in front. That was a try for all money. From memory that would of put Easts in front.

2) Easts win a penalty and Josh Parry takes a quick tap on his own 22m, gets smashed, ball turned over. Uni scored soon after. He deserves to play in Reserve Grade for a few weeks after that.

Aside from that, the Tigers muscled up in defence, and they were pretty solid in attack, but again handling errors became an issue. Too much dropped ball in contact.

The usual suspects played well for Easts, Mullins and Brandon were put under heaps of pressure, but still managed to play good games.

Blake Enever has been in great form. His ball running in particular has improved significantly since last season. However his organization of the defensive line out could need work. The Tigers set up with Moore as first pod, Enever as third, and then either Riley/Fattal floating as a second. I'd guess that 75% of Uni's throws went to that second pod, yet at no point did the Tigers realise this. I would have liked to see Enever take the initiative and throw himself up at the second pod, and have the third pod floating. Even if it goes to the third, he is still tall enough and good enough in the air to cause an overthrow or disruption.

Young blindside Moore is also developing well. His ball running still needs a bit of work, but his tackling and work in defensive line outs are quite strong considering he is a new convert from league.

Overall, dominant by University, clearly the better side on the day with their forward pack simply awesome. Physical, aggressive, quick and smart, they will take some beating up front this year.

For Easts, beaten but not clearly outplayed. I wasn't too disappointed with their effort, they were well within winning distance of a clearly superior team, and if it weren't for some silly errors (see 1) and 2)) they could have snatched the upset.

Two teams I expect to see as favourites when the season gets to the pointy end.
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
Dragons showed a bit of aggression today. Made a big difference from previous weeks. They need to keep it up over coming weeks if they want to turn the season around.


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Was it more of a case of Sunnybank finally turning it on and being clearly the more dominant team, or Souths starting to fall away?
 
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T12 & Pauly I think you have given pretty fair accounts of Uni's win.

Uni are always going to be there or thereabouts come finals (they are well coached & led) and after their start to the season - 5 BP wins from 5 starts - they are clearly the premiership favourites particularly when you consider the number of Reds which could potentially come back into their side before the finals.

Don't forget that Tim Buchannan was an Easts Junior!!!

As for the tigers they desperately need to get the points against GPS this Saturday.

Easts the away ladies day specialists will be glad to hear that they have ladies days at Yoku Rd & Crosby over the next two weeks. They also play at Norths in their ladies day this year - that surely must be some kind of record.

I think the tigers will need to get Reserve grade to train in pink bibs just to get use to the avalanche of pink they are going to encounter over the coming weeks.
 

Purce

Jim Clark (26)
I can't think of any really stand outs from the Uni pack

I thought McDuling was extremely good on the weekend. Dominant in everything he did, ball carries, tackles, ruck involvements and pilfers. His best game since 2011 when he won club player of the year. Hopefully he has found some confidence after 2 knee recons in the past 2 years.

Unlike a couple of others I think the score is indicative of the game. Easts had a couple of opportunities to score more tries but Uni blew at least 3 other opportunities as well. We are always worried about Prems v Easts because of their physical and clinical pack.... I am pleased to see the Uni piggies stepping up each week, really developing into a force to be reckoned with. The tigers were always going to miss that back row from last year who were exceptional. JB and Bertini will be very tough to replace.

Brandon is still a class player, with him at 10 and a strong forward pack Easts will go far this season.
 

FilthRugby

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
I've always rated McDuling, Purce! Last year in the Minor-Semi Final, he was by far the best forward for University.

Brothers v Wests was atrocious. Both teams were ordinary. I think Brothers just had a really, really bad day at the office and that happens from time to time. However, I'm glad they dug deep and won.

The best players were.
Wests: #2,#6,#8.
Brothers: Luke Beauchamp, Harry Symes, Matthew Mafi, Charlie Freney and Sam Greene.

Norths will be another test for the Brethren as they have found both Wests and Norths difficult in the past, but if they execute their plays and pounce on any chances, they will win.

Even though I hate Wests, I think they will eventuate to something. They did show a lot of belief and aggression. The constant niggle was insufferable, but I suspect Brothers weren't so clean in that area.

I think you'll beat GPS, TT and T12. I think you have better forwards to what GPS have at the moment. Toby White (who I highly rate, though not as good as Bond and Gendle) should be the key obviously in the backs.

And of course, to rub salt into the wounds for what has been an ordinary week in football, the traditional rivals are on top of the ladder. But for how long? I suspect the whole of the season.
 

Dyson

Peter Burge (5)
I think filth was at a different game - both Wests and Brothers made mistakes but only because of great defense from both sides.Wests started strong and led 13 - 0 at half time Brothers second half was much better with Wests defending all half only getting in brothers half three times. Greens kicking was the difference keeping Wests trapped in there 20. Number 8 for Wests, their captain was injured after five and had to be replaced. Tight game, really physical gutsy effort from both teams.
 

Purce

Jim Clark (26)
I've always rated McDuling, Purce! Last year in the Minor-Semi Final, he was by far the best forward for University.

Agreed. I hope he gets a shot at the next level soon. Surely a better option on the bench than Big Ed this year and moving forward.

Filth V. Heavies clash of the young 10s will be exciting in a couple of weeks. Greene v Dalgilsh... no doubt this will be determined by which pack comes out on top on the day. Although Dalgilsh has a bit of competition for the 10 jersey with Diggy Bird making his return from injury last week and Tom Tuffley back into rugby now that cricket is over.
 

mathew thushker

Bob McCowan (2)
Don't know what game you were watching Filth, but I thought it was interesting. The Wests #8 was off after 2 minutes, and they brought on some reserve grader who had just got smashed for 80 mins, so I think he did pretty well all considered.

The report was right when it said it was a game of 2 halves. Wests should have been up by about 20-30 at half time, they blew 2 certain tries with the line open including a forward pass just before half time which might have put the game out of Brothers reach.

The second half Wests just couldn't get out of their own half, and their set piece fell apart which didn't help. Brothers did well to keep them pinned down, but Wests showed a lot of guts to defend the way they did.

Was a very physical match dominated by good defence and counter rucking.

Best Wests players - #9, #6, and #12
Best Brothers players - #13, #6
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
I thought McDuling was extremely good on the weekend. Dominant in everything he did, ball carries, tackles, ruck involvements and pilfers. His best game since 2011 when he won club player of the year. Hopefully he has found some confidence after 2 knee recons in the past 2 years.

Unlike a couple of others I think the score is indicative of the game. Easts had a couple of opportunities to score more tries but Uni blew at least 3 other opportunities as well. We are always worried about Prems v Easts because of their physical and clinical pack.. I am pleased to see the Uni piggies stepping up each week, really developing into a force to be reckoned with. The tigers were always going to miss that back row from last year who were exceptional. JB and Bertini will be very tough to replace.

Brandon is still a class player, with him at 10 and a strong forward pack Easts will go far this season.
Wait, was he playing? I saw his name on the team list, but didn't notice him on the field.

Must of been the sun haha
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
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Was it more of a case of Sunnybank finally turning it on and being clearly the more dominant team, or Souths starting to fall away?

Dragons played well but Souths didn't look up for it. Maybe they expected to rock up and have an easy win. The Bankers will have to back it up against the Bulldogs and then they will be back in the running.
 

FilthRugby

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Dyson and MT. I surprised you enjoyed it? Maybe Wests just enforced a conservative style of rugby. I'm not particularly use to low scoring games at Crosby Park. I am pleased that Brothers won. In years past, they would have lost that one. There's a lot of confidence this year in Premier Grade which is great to see. I think Brothers will make the top 4 and will be strong at finals time depending on depth. University will feature along with Easts. GPS will regain their composure. So I've predicted a top 4 with Sunnybank and Souths nudging as well.
Even though, I don't especially dislike Easts, all this BS about you not making the finals if you do not win the next few games is ridiculous.
 

warhorse

Jimmy Flynn (14)
Dragons played well but Souths didn't look up for it. Maybe they expected to rock up and have an easy win. The Bankers will have to back it up against the Bulldogs and then they will be back in the running.

The Bankers played very well and capitalised on just about every Souths error and there were many. Souths, IMHO, are missing the experience and steadying influence of Mafi Kefu at #10 or #12 (injured), Andy Muirhead #15 transfered to Southern Districts in Sydney to make a bid for the NRC, Kiwi #10 from last year Isaac Thompson (Vikings Canberra) and winger Dom Lespierre (returned to UK).
Their replacements are good players but are mostly fresh out of Colts and although a few have had Premier Grade experience from a few games last year they lack the poise and experience of professional or semi-professional players.
Hopefully they can bounce back next week against Bond Uni. but that is going to be a very tough match as well. They then have a bye which may allow some niggling injuries to heal.
 
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Tigers Tale

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Even though, I don't especially dislike Easts, all this BS about you not making the finals if you do not win the next few games is ridiculous.

Noted Filth but all I am saying is that in the last few years that the team that has finished 4th has only dropped 4/5 games, so if Easts/Snbk drop 3/4 in the first half the season then they will not control their own finals destiny they will be relying on other results going their way to make it.

Easts lost 4 games last year to finish 2nd but in 2011 they lost 4 and finished 5th. Trust me at Easts we have a lot of recent experience when it comes to the permutations of finishing 4th/5th.
 
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I had to prepare these numbers last year - it illustrates the number of games won to make the top 4 over the 2011-13 seasons (this disregards bonus points which ultimately just separate teams that finish on the same number of wins.)

Team: Adj Ave. (no SCS); Ave. 2011-13; 2013; 2012; 2011

1st: 12.0; 14.0; 14; 14; 14;
2nd 10.7; 12.7; 13; 12; 13;
3rd 10.7; 12.7; 13; 12; 13;
4th 10.7; 12.7; 13; 12; 13;

Remember that 2011-13 each team played 18 games but with no Stingrays in 2014 each team only plays 16 game in the H&A season.

So essentially these numbers point to fact that you will need to win 10.7 (i.e 11) games to make the four in 2014 - that means that given each team plays 16 games they can only afford to have 5.3 losses.

2014 losses to date:
Uni 0
Bros 0
GPS 1
Souths 2
Easts 2
Wests 4
SNBK 3
Bond 3
Norths 5

The losses to date show that Souths, Easts, Wests, Snbk & Bond can't afford too many further losses in the first half of the season otherwise they are left with no margin for error in the second half of the season. Sadly for Norths it will take a monumental effort from here on if they are to see finals action in 2014.
 

Xavier jenkins

Frank Nicholson (4)
Great stats TT I really love the extra effort that the readers here go to for the entertainment and education of other readers. eg. Player stats on junior clubs, match day reports and other rugby ins and outs. Without TV coverage it's one of the only ways to keep across this great comp
 
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