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Rd 8: NSFW Waratahs vs The Auckland Blues

waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Loss Bleus haven't won four in a row since 2011 so if they should knock the 'tahs over it'll be a real milestone for them.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
He has been dropped, for it to count as a rest week he needs to sit out completely and not train as well. I think.


potato/potatoe

Gibson said Wallabies star Beale wasn’t pleased with his demotion but was confident he would provide impact off the bench.
“He hasn’t been dropped,” Gibson said.
“I’ve looked at Auckland and I look at it where they’re strong.
“They’ve got some big boppers coming down that channel.
“I’ve selected a combination in the middle which I believe can combat that and add some.
“And that’s where Karmichael and Adam really excel in the defensive area and there’s a role for Kurtley coming off the bench in providing that spark in attack.”

Or in reality

"Your arm grabbing "try to rip the ball" bull shit defence is not acceptable so to the bench you go"
 

The Honey Badger

Jim Lenehan (48)
No Hoops, who is dragging this team forward alone.

Blues should be strong favourites.

The betting had the Blues favourite. At $1.33

And Tahs $3.40

Actually don't mind those odds. Tahs will be hurt and team selected should be good defensively. So they just might turn up.

(remember Sunwolves also beat Blues)
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
The betting had the Blues favourite. At $1.33

And Tahs $3.40

Actually don't mind those odds. Tahs will be hurt and team selected should be good defensively. So they just might turn up.

(remember Sunwolves also beat Blues)
Dont think they did
 

Froggy

John Solomon (38)
I am at a loss to comprehend how missing a game in the beginning of April has any remote connection to how fresh a bloke is in September. Perhaps some of you sports scientists can help me out here.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
I am at a loss to comprehend how missing a game in the beginning of April has any remote connection to how fresh a bloke is in September. Perhaps some of you sports scientists can help me out here.


From what Cheika has recently said though it is not necessarily just about not playing a game that weekend, it's about being able to load up the training for that week with the knowledge that they aren't preparing for a game.

Games and minutes played during a year do seem to be pretty relevant though.
 

Dan54

Tim Horan (67)
I really looking forward to this game tomorrow. I like what the Blues are doing, and probably personally most pleased to see how well Akira is playing this year, I know I copped plenty of shit for criticising Akira last year, but I really think most that watch the game will see what I mean about what he is capable of! He playing at another level this year, doing some of the shit work, and really looking like the answer to the question who is the next AB 8!
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
I am at a loss to comprehend how missing a game in the beginning of April has any remote connection to how fresh a bloke is in September. Perhaps some of you sports scientists can help me out here.

Seems to me like someone has been doing data analytics on dodgy theoretical grounds. I.e. has found a positive correlation between total game time per season and risk of injury and has concluded that reducing game time will lead to lower injury rates without factoring in things like number of games in succession, training workload, intensity of matches etc.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
I really looking forward to this game tomorrow. I like what the Blues are doing, and probably personally most pleased to see how well Akira is playing this year, I know I copped plenty of shit for criticising Akira last year, but I really think most that watch the game will see what I mean about what he is capable of! He playing at another level this year, doing some of the shit work, and really looking like the answer to the question who is the next AB 8!


Yeah, it's going to be even more ridiculous now when Luke Whitelock gets selected ahead of him.
 

Dan54

Tim Horan (67)
Yeah, it's going to be even more ridiculous now when Luke Whitelock gets selected ahead of him.

Naa BH, I still believe the coaches will only pick Flukey Luke if they figure he got more to offer in their game plan, I think Whitelock is a better player than many give him credit for, not your flashy type, but someone who does the core 8 role well.
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
Naa BH, I still believe the coaches will only pick Flukey Luke if they figure he got more to offer in their game plan, I think Whitelock is a better player than many give him credit for, not your flashy type, but someone who does the core 8 role well.
Isn't number 8 about the only forward position where your core role is to do the flashy stuff, i.e. run the ball good?

I personally hope the darkness continue to select Whitelock.
 

zer0

Jim Lenehan (48)
Naa BH, I still believe the coaches will only pick Flukey Luke if they figure he got more to offer in their game plan, I think Whitelock is a better player than many give him credit for, not your flashy type, but someone who does the core 8 role well.

A core role of a #8 -- perhaps the core role -- is providing go-forward. Something Whitelock is unmitigatedly terrible at providing. As per Fox Sports.....

Num8_Stats1.PNG


Thus far he's averaging 4 metres a carry and has generated one -- yes, one -- break. The Highlanders would probably get better production by sticking Ben Smith there. On the other hand, all of the other serious contenders for the backup #8 position average over 5 metres a carry and have generated 19-24 breaks each.

Of course, you could point out that there's a discrepancy in the minutes played between the players which will impact their stats -- m/carried aside. Fortunately, through accepting Jesus into our hearts the magic of a spreadsheet basic stats, we can normalise them and calculate contributions per 10 minutes of offence (and defence) played, yielding the following.....

Num8_Stats2.PNG


The part we're interested in here are the numbers under offence (CARRY, MATRES, BREAK). Just in case it's not clear, the tables says that for every 10 minutes of offence played, Whitelock can be expected to make 2.65 carries, making 10.76 metres. Ioane, 2.23 carries & 14.80 metres. Frizell, 3.31 carries & 16.84 metres, etc..... As we can see, Whitelock is well and truly lagging behind Ioane, Savea and Frizell in terms of generating metres and breaks. Though he does try hard, as evident by his carries per 10 minutes. Perhaps some sort of sticker for effort is in order.
 

Strewthcobber

Andrew Slack (58)
Seems to me like someone has been doing data analytics on dodgy theoretical grounds. I.e. has found a positive correlation between total game time per season and risk of injury and has concluded that reducing game time will lead to lower injury rates without factoring in things like number of games in succession, training workload, intensity of matches etc.
Must be a good salesman to get the All Blacks, Wallabies, Sprinboks, Japan and (actually don’t know about) Argentina on board with this resting pseudoscience
 

Strewthcobber

Andrew Slack (58)
I am at a loss to comprehend how missing a game in the beginning of April has any remote connection to how fresh a bloke is in September. Perhaps some of you sports scientists can help me out here.
So the theory is that you can’t improve strength and conditioning during the season. Because a) there isn’t enough time to recover from the strength and conditioning between matches, and b) the matches themselves cause injury which impacts on your physical state.

So the Wallabies (and other international teams) have set up this protocols for their World Cup players. You’ll recall Cheikas constant issue with the fitness of his players after a super rugby season. They are undergoing 6 blocks of work through the season - before hand, two rest weeks, two bye weeks and after your team is kicked out where you have 10ish days focussed on pre-season style fitness work.

The hope is the team will be at international fitness standards before the practice games.
 
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