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Reds 2013

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tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
Quade didn't get much away in his pre-match interview on Fox, but did say it would be very hard to leave the Reds. I'm a bit torn though, considering either way it seems QLD will lose Quade OR Higginbotham, arguably our best back and best forward, not to mention my two favourite players.
 

chasmac

Dave Cowper (27)
I won't bore you chasmac with my many posts on this core subject, but essentially I have argued that a system of linked franchises that is principally governed by the ARU in terms of just one element of its costs - namely player costs in this case - but where the actual comprehensive quality of each franchise's management is not controlled or governed at all - is extraordinarily unbalanced and will as day follows night lead to, best case, mediocrity of systemic outcomes, or, worst case, lead to bankruptcies and regular crisis bail-outs.

For example, if a management of an RU must be 'protected' from, as you say, bankruptcy risk via a single central cost control and that that local management is simply unable to control that cost line prudently by themselves, then what type of local management competency do you have in first place that is so poor at controlling their total business?

Essentially, what I argue is that _the_ critical task of any franchise owner is to ensure that its principal franchisees are all well led and managed in terms of total capability, that is, the board and CEO/top management are proven competent to build and sustain a financially and community viable business in their franchise area. Overall KPIs and balanced performance goals should be set that define such performance, such as: annual revenue growth and profitability; average rank placings within the S15, expansion of Premier Grade, total net player registrations, code market share, local rate of elite player development, etc. These should be holistically managed by, say, formal central assessments every 2 years. The central body - the ARU - should not be, nor need to be, nanny-like micro-managing single cost parameters within a franchise IF the general management of that franchise is assessed as properly competent and will meet or has met the broad quality-affirming KPIs I mention above (or similar ones). If the core KPIs are not being met over a fair time period, then the entire board and management of that franchise must be able to be immediately replaced by the central 'franchise owner' - and the threat of this change must be real and enforced where required.

All successful franchised operations run on this basis - none that I have ever seen are run on the principle 'we'll control what you spend on one or two cost parameters, but we really don't care if you stuff everything else up, lose market share and have a generally poor business that never achieves very much'. And what investors would ever back an enterprise run on such a ridiculous and unbalanced premise? But this is precisely how, in effect, Australian rugby conducts itself. And look at the actual quality of outcomes thus achieved.

OK, Glad you kept it brief.....
Do you think there is any inclination for the business structure to change such that the ARU can dissolve the franchise Management team based on underachieving their KPI's.

I believe there is a structural review being mooted for the not to distant future. Is the type of structure that you advocate (sounds like McDonalds type of business model) going to get a look in?
 

TheBigDog

Nev Cottrell (35)
Article today about Higgers going to Rebels

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...tham-say-reports/story-e6frep5o-1226354597499

Apart from the headline the article doesn't really give much info apart from speculating that he could be on the move as Rebels are in need of some decent backrowers. Do they really have much cap space? You would think Beale and O'Connor would be the two of the highest paid players in Aus rugby.

Has anyone heard anything else about Higgers being on the move? I would hate to see him go.
 

bloodred

Fred Wood (13)
Bob Dwyer said in his article... "I was impressed with Simmons again, Gill, Genia, Lucas, Ioane and Shipperly. Horwill did excellently at the lineout and restarts, but I still want more from him in the “tight-loose”, and Wallace-Harrison and Robinson made great contributions as “Link’s finishers”. " How could he have left Higgers out! After the game there was a rumour that Higgers was off to the Rebs. They don't have a cap do they? I pray this isn't so
 

Joe Mac

Arch Winning (36)
Bob Dwyer said in his article... "I was impressed with Simmons again, Gill, Genia, Lucas, Ioane and Shipperly. Horwill did excellently at the lineout and restarts, but I still want more from him in the “tight-loose”, and Wallace-Harrison and Robinson made great contributions as “Link’s finishers”. " How could he have left Higgers out! After the game there was a rumour that Higgers was off to the Rebs. They don't have a cap do they? I pray this isn't so

It looks inevitable that the you will lose one of those players. If I was Link, I would prefer for Higgers to bail as the Red's seem to have a great stock of loosies at the moment.
 

Joe Mac

Arch Winning (36)
How about the Rebels take Davies and Shepherdson and we keep Higgers, then call it even? Sounds good.

I think the Rebels would probably prefer Higgers over anyone at the moment. Next year they will still have JOC (James O'Connor) and KB (Kurtley Beale) in the backs, but only higgers could fill the gap that will be left with the departure of Delve and Lipman. Without higgers their progress this year will take a big backward step.
 

Ignoto

Greg Davis (50)
They don't have a cap do they? I pray this isn't so

From memory they don't as they're privately owned. So, we just need to grab one of the mining companies to buy the Reds and it wouldn't apply.

It just goes to show how much of a farce this whole idea really is. You can't have rules that apply to everyone but one team -_-
 

No4918

John Hipwell (52)
We may have a great stock of loosies but Higgers is just starting to really shine after being developed in QLD for so long. He has around 50 caps know and compared with his counterparts that is a heap of experience. His replacements are still a couple of years away from his level of development. Would be a huge loss.

You'd think with the likes of VH and Samo not likely to be put on there would be the money there to make a competitve offer. Leads me to think Rebels offer must be well above the Reds. Don't they understand we are trying to create something special up here and have a moral obligation to let that happen??;)
 

Bowside

Peter Johnson (47)
From memory they don't as they're privately owned. So, we just need to grab one of the mining companies to buy the Reds and it wouldn't apply.

It just goes to show how much of a farce this whole idea really is. You can't have rules that apply to everyone but one team -_-

Hold up, is this actually true?

That sounds totally ridiculous, but totally ridiculous seems to be the norm in Australian rugby.
 
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TOCC

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Moreso a Reds 2012 issue, but Albert Anae broke his arm playing for Sunnybank
 
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What2040

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Article today about Higgers going to Rebels

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...tham-say-reports/story-e6frep5o-1226354597499

Apart from the headline the article doesn't really give much info apart from speculating that he could be on the move as Rebels are in need of some decent backrowers. Do they really have much cap space? You would think Beale and O'Connor would be the two of the highest paid players in Aus rugby.

Has anyone heard anything else about Higgers being on the move? I would hate to see him go.

Hear a whisper that Higgers HAS signed and Delve getting the shove to make room. Horrible if true (re Higgers I mean).

Reckon Beale, JOC (James O'Connor), QC (Quade Cooper) and Pocock would be in the top 4 - don't know about the order of them
 

Nusadan

Chilla Wilson (44)
Hear a whisper that Higgers HAS signed and Delve getting the shove to make room. Horrible if true (re Higgers I mean).

Reckon Beale, JOC (James O'Connor), QC (Quade Cooper) and Pocock would be in the top 4 - don't know about the order of them

Delve had to go regardless, his two years as a marquee player is almost over...
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
It will be a shame for the Reds if Higgers leaves though it would be better for Oz Rugby to get more quality into a lowly placed team. I think there will be a few Tahs going south of the border too.

Higginbotham has been frustrated me in the past because of his high mistake rate, especially for the Wobs, including poor lineout receptions, dropping the pill on short flat passes and trying to give miracle balls going to ground.

But yesterday I saw a different Higgers: a player who played tight Higgers, a percentage Higgers who took the ball to ground, and a lineout Higgers who had the surety of a specialist.

This is the kind of Higgers who should start in the Wobs and one the Reds should keep at all costs.
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TheBigDog

Nev Cottrell (35)
Higginbotham should really have been the number 1 priority re-signed forward after James Horwill. He is such a physical player and has been a standout in every game this year. Also, to my knowledge he hasn't had any major injuries yet which is always good. With Palu pulling up sore every 2nd game you would think Higgers would be on track to cement a spot as Wallabies No. 8 this year.

Yes, the Reds have some great depth in the backrow at the moment but as i've said in an earlier post, Higgers combination of size, speed and skill are unique to Australian rugby. As good as Gill and Robinson are, there are plenty of good fetchers around (Hooper, Pocock) and as good as Schatz and Quirk are there are plenty of workhorses (Mowen, Elsom, Brown). What Higgers brings to a team no matter if its the Reds, Rebels or whoever will always be unique. At the start of the year I was also impressed with his work in the lineouts and since moving to number 8 I think he's shown he can control the ball really well even when the scrum is under pressure (some of his one handed pickups worry me but as of yet nothing has gone wrong...)

Hopefully the Reds can retain him.
 

No4918

John Hipwell (52)
Hopefully Dennis gets annoyed with Elsom's return seeing him on the bench and he signs first. If the greedy Rebels get both they could be something of a challenge next season.
 
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