The game was over? There's no need to do an HIA assessment to determine whether the player can retake the field.
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The game was over? There's no need to do an HIA assessment to determine whether the player can retake the field.
They still would have done an assessment you would think.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Ok, I genuinely thought they still would have. But they might have done one anyway, just not said anything I suppose.
The Wallabies medical staff would have checked him out but there wouldn't have been any involvement from the independent match doctor.
He hadn't shown any clear concussion symptoms on the field so I am assuming that initial check would have been it unless Tizzano had reported symptoms developing a few hours later.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Eddie Jones getting in his say I see. Is there anyone who hasn't thrown in an opinion?
Speaking on the Rugby Unity podcast with David Pembroke and McKenzie, Jones made his view crystal clear as he agreed with Farrell.
“If he [referee Andrea Piardi] hadn’t allowed that try, then basically, the cleanout would be out of the game in rugby,” said the Japan head coach.
“Because he couldn’t do anything more legal than he did. The argument is that he hit his head. Yes, we know that. But he couldn’t do anything more than that.
“If you don’t allow that sort of cleanout, we might as well forget about rucks and have ‘play-the-balls’.”
Speaking on the Rugby Unity podcast with David Pembroke and McKenzie, Jones made his view crystal clear as he agreed with Farrell.
“If he [referee Andrea Piardi] hadn’t allowed that try, then basically, the cleanout would be out of the game in rugby,” said the Japan head coach.
“Because he couldn’t do anything more legal than he did. The argument is that he hit his head. Yes, we know that. But he couldn’t do anything more than that.
“If you don’t allow that sort of cleanout, we might as well forget about rucks and have ‘play-the-balls’.”
This is a terrible argument from Jones.
There doesn't have to be a legal cleanout available to Morgan. He arrived once Tizzano was already in position over the ball. The answer for what Morgan should have done is to get there sooner before his only option was to cleanout Tizzano in the head/neck area.
He may as well argue that we should allow side entry cleanouts if it's the only option available because if the player enters through the gate correctly they'll be too slow to get there and their team will lose the ball.
Running_rugby_1954
Vay Wilson (31)
He can also clean out shoulder to shoulder.
Agreed. The option is Morgan either gets there earlier or adjusts the speed at which he’s travelling so that he can aim somewhere other than Tizzano’s neck/head. Both are admittedly very difficult to achieve.
It’s true a lot of rucks look like this. But the fact is, they were looking at this one because it appeared that foul play had occurred.
I think the problem really was how little time they took to work through this decision. I think they needed to discuss the ‘simultaneous’ ruling because it still doesn’t stack up. I would like WR (World Rugby) to explain further what constitutes this. It feels like they have made a black and white rule grey.
Wilson
Tim Horan (67)
Just for a bit of clarity around the mouth guard/HIA, Tizzano did undergo an HIA but was cleared:
Strewthcobber
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Squidge had one from Russell on his video about test two. One of the two fantastic kicks to the line
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
I'd say once or twice Russell definitely crept around 5m over the mark. Iirc the penalty that put them 5m or so out from the tryline leading up to the 80 minute winning try was one such incident.
Just subtract the distance that they gained.
Wilson
Tim Horan (67)
This is one of them that's not quite 5m, but is well in advance of the mark (36:19 on the match clock):
This is the other (about 62:00 on the match clock)
It's a bit hard to see in the broadcast on the second one, but the penalty is awarded just inside the Lions half and Russell strikes the ball about 4 or 5m into the wallabies half
John S
Ken Catchpole (46)
Yeah, they were quite ridiculous in how much in front of the mark they were
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John Hipwell (52)
I would be happy if they would take the tap from 5m line, not in front of it. The referee has a perfect unobstructed view and isn't concerned, 30 seconds later and we have a hand about 5 cm past the goal line and suddenly a few inches is important, we get penalised for being offside and they score.
I just thought of another.
- Tate McDermott getting cleaned out high by a Scottish player. Only gave it a pen due to accidently bumping up.
I remember people saying how else could Scottish player clear him out due to Tate being so low. Sounds familiar.
Rebel man
John Thornett (49)
He had to support his weight