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RFU "Blazers" trying to stop London Welsh taking their place in the Aviva Premiership!

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Tim&Bingo

Chris McKivat (8)
I don't know if any keep an eye on the English AP?
In theory, Rob "Squeaky" Andrew's old team Newcastle should be relegated to the National 1 Division next season and London Welsh should take their place amongst the elite.
However the HQ farts seem hell bent on stopping this.
LW won the 2 leg play-off versus Cornwall and have found a stadium that complies and is
comparable, in many instances much better that existing AP teams.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport...fter-being-misled-over-promotion-7804014.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...ndon-Welsh-win-66-41-on-agg-match-report.html

Trouble ahead for the RFU methinks as they try to squirm their way out of this one since the LW Chairman is a senior partner of a leading London Law firm.

Watch this space as the pantomine unfolds!!
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en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Losing Newcastle is a bad thing for English rugby as I understand it's the jewell in the Northern English rugby crown and pretty much represents what the Rebels are in Australia, a rugby team drawing crowds in an unrugby-centric area.

The big wigs should give them a rebuilding year in the lower league and point some sponsors pumping money into other sectors of the game towards them, in the mean time let the Welsh Exiles have a crack.

Odds are the Welsh won't stick up there for too long as the way their club is currently set up with their professional half and amateur half is probably unsustainable. If they do manage to stick around, good on them. It'll strengthen the competition.
 

kronic

John Solomon (38)
Hey RFU...
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kronic

John Solomon (38)
Reading up about the history of the club, apparently they were looking at joining the Celtic/Pro 12 League, because of this. Maybe they should.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
First off let me say that I think London Welsh deserve to be promoted to the Premiership as the winners of the Championship. If a league has promotion and relegation then it should be just that with no ring fencing.

However there is some ring fencing in the Premiership. Grounds not only have to meet certain standards and capacity, 10,000 plus. The team also has to have control of scheduling of games. Sharing a ground with a soccer team means they don't have the required control. Apparently for the RFU this is a bigger issue if you're being promoted rather than for those clubs already in the Premiership who groundshare.

London Welsh only recently confirmed that they were applying for promotion as it was believed when the play off draw was finalised that only Bristol, whom Cornish Pirates beat in the semi, were eligible for promotion. When they did apply they gave a list of a number of grounds they had plans to ground share, Oxford's ground being top of the list.

It's going to be a long off season for both Newcastle and London Welsh as they wait for the results of the appeal on this.

Another twist to the whole story is that Cornish Pirates complained about the timing of the announcement about London Welsh's bid failing. It was announced just 5 hours before the first leg of the final and the Pirates coach claimed that it fired up the LW players who had a point to prove and caught his team cold.

On a side note Bruno Llewelyn-Reid who was on the latest series of School of Hard Knocks is still training with London Welsh as if they get promoted the guy might actually play in the Premiership next year.Scott Quinnell took him there to get him training with them when he spotted his potential on the show.

For those who don't know what SOHK is, it's a Sky Sport TV show where each year Scott Quinnell and Will Greenwood go into an underprivileged area and recruit unemployed men onto a rugby team. Many of them have criminal records or have never worked in their lives. Then for 8 weeks the guys are coached in rugby but are also mentored in other areas with the view to get them ready for a jobs workshop at the end of the 8 weeks. The main aim is to get these guys jobs or at least put them in a better position to get themselves a job. It's an excellent show. Most of the guys have never played rugby before and the aim is not to find the guys who are best at it. it's simply to show how being part of a team and the respect that people involved in rugby have for each other can help improve their outlook on life. So to uncover a guy who could potentially play Premiership rugby is pretty amazing.

Fox in Australia should look at doing something similar as it's an excellent way to spread word of the benefits of playing rugby in traditionally non-rugby areas.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Reading up about the history of the club, apparently they were looking at joining the Celtic/Pro 12 League, because of this. Maybe they should.

I think that was an off the cup comment by the then president and was never really considered logistically. That being said, I see no real gateway to this bar funding.
 

Tim&Bingo

Chris McKivat (8)
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How did the ref miss that deliberate shoeing of the LW No.7 last night by the Pirates hooker?
 
J

Jiggles

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Jesus! the Hooker has a peek, lifts his leg, and stomps into a the flankers face! How is that a multi year ban?
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
The appeal hearing on this was due to happen on Thursday but it's been put back a week until the 28th. So another week of uncertainty for players from London Welsh and Newcastle.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
London Welsh won their appeal against the RFUs decision. So Newcastle are relegated to the championship. Very happy for London Welsh and hope they do well and manage to stay up after all the effort to get to the Premiership.

Looks like this ruling puts an end to the ring fencing of the Premiership at least in it's current form.

Full story from the BBC below:

London Welsh win Premiership promotion, Newcastle relegated
London Welsh will play in the Premiership after winning their appeal against a Rugby Football Union ruling barring them from England's top flight.

Last month, the RFU ruled the Exiles had not achieved the criteria needed to earn promotion from the Championship.

The appeal panel agreed with the club's argument that the criteria itself contravened EU and UK competition laws.

Newcastle Falcons will now be relegated to the Championship after finishing bottom of the Premiership last season.

London Welsh learned that they would be barred from the Premiership on the day of the first leg of their Championship play-off final but it did not deter them from going on to a 66-41 aggregate victory.

The club then announced it would appeal against the RFU's ruling that stipulated that Welsh had not qualified for promotion because they did not have primacy of tenure at Oxford's Kassam Stadium - where they intend to play their home fixtures.

That point was upheld by the panel, and indeed conceded by Welsh at the appeal, but the issue of competition law was decreed to be of greater significance.

The ruling prompted the RFU's chief executive officer Ian Ritchie to announce a review of how clubs are judged for promotion to the Premiership.

"We will now instigate a full review of the minimum standards criteria, working within the Professional Game Board, with the aim of ensuring all stakeholders are agreed on the process going forward," he said.

"The RFU considers this matter closed which will now enable all clubs to continue their planning for the 2012-13 season."

In a statement, London Welsh added: "The fundamental strength of our case was based not only on overwhelming legal merits, including in particular anti-competition grounds, but also on the fairness and justice of rewarding through promotion the team winning on the pitch."

"It is therefore not only a victory for London Welsh, its players, coaching staff and all its supporters but also for sport in general and the game of rugby union in particular."

Exiles chairman Bleddyn Phillips was delighted with the result and was positive about sharing the Kassam Stadium next season.

"Obviously we're delighted at the result by the appeal panel and we're very much looking forward to playing Premiership rugby," he told BBC Oxford .

"We have a very good relationship with Oxford United. I think that if there are two professional teams who want to and are willing to work together, then we will be able to very amicably resolve our plans for next season.

Newcastle argued delays in making arrangements to play in Oxford should prevent London Welsh from being promoted but the independent panel of James Dingemans QC (Quade Cooper), Ian Mill QC (Quade Cooper) and Tim Ward QC (Quade Cooper) rejected this argument.

Falcons also released a statement following the verdict which said: "We are extremely disappointed with the decision and the representations witnessed at the appeal hearing and we will leave our options open as to where we go from here.

"We do not underestimate the competitiveness and challenges we face in the Championship but under the tutelage of Dean Richards we will have one, and only one goal - to win.

"Dean has been in this situation with Harlequins and he understands what it takes to navigate through the Championship, whilst putting together a team that will be successful with immediate effect on our return to the Premiership."

London Welsh, who have not featured in the Premiership before, will discover who they face on the opening day of next season when the fixtures are released on Wednesday, 4 July.

"Obviously we're delighted at the result by the appeal panel and we're very much looking forward to playing Premiership rugby," club chairman Bleddyn Phillips told BBC Oxford.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
To wrap this one up Newcastle have confirmed they won't be appealing this decision that sees London Welsh promoted and themselves relegated. So Dean Richards' return to Rugby, after his ban for Bloodgate, will be in the Championship next season.
 
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