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RWC Pool D - Wallabies vs Wales - Sunday 29 September 2019 @ 5.45pm

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Fred Wood (13)
I think it is a real balancing act of not destroying the local game. Already the value proposition of the o/s comps is pulling more players earlier and earlier in their careers, you remove the Giteau Rule i'm unsure what will keep some of them around, particularly if they don't make the Wallabies as quickly as they like. I know there has been some discussion of around a Giteau Rule for Wallabies except for RWC where everyone is considered. Even this I wonder how much it will change player decisions on plying their trade localling or aboard if they still feel they can play in a RWC.

I think this time round there weren't many players who would have been considered who didn't make it because of the Giteau Rule.. Skelton maybe.


Rugby Australia have two options, to get rid of Giteau rule or do what they did with Nic White and sign players to Rugby Australia contracts just prior to RWC. I can't see any less players leaving over the next 4 years and fear that South African and Australian domestic rugby comps will become similar to football in Argentina and Brazil, breeding grounds where the best talents are poached to play in Europe. Will be up to Rugby Australia to manage this and get a coach who can adapt to using players from overseas leagues in the national team whilst also supporting the local comps.
 

tragic

Colin Windon (37)
I reckon we’ve got a better chance of beating the ABs in the semis (if we make it) than the boks.
Still two fifths of f@#k all but better nonetheless.
The boks have improved immensely. I reckon they’re in with a real shot at the title.
We struggle with the boks physicality up front. Even the ABs did - they got over them with some back line brilliance which we don’t possess.
I think the boks were a little unlucky to lose in the pool game and may square the ledger if they meet the ABs in the final.
 

molman

Desmond Connor (43)
Rugby Australia have two options, to get rid of Giteau rule or do what they did with Nic White and sign players to Rugby Australia contracts just prior to RWC. I can't see any less players leaving over the next 4 years and fear that South African and Australian domestic rugby comps will become similar to football in Argentina and Brazil, breeding grounds where the best talents are poached to play in Europe. Will be up to Rugby Australia to manage this and get a coach who can adapt to using players from overseas leagues in the national team whilst also supporting the local comps.

I think much depends on what SANZAAR decide to do as to how certain aspects around our Wallabies team evolve. Anyway I might leave it there as I think with this discussion we've moved well beyond the Wales game.
 
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Bobby Sands

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Latu was close to MOTM?

I think that we are looking at him as an individual and not how his selection effects other parts of our game.

Our driving maul was insipid against Wales, and we had plenty of opportunities. Faaingaa as part of the Brumbies set up is so much better at driving the maul, he is also bigger and to my eye a better ball carrier. Call it personal preference, but I think we are better side with Faaingaa in it, and I do not know why we swapped hookers to start this tournament.
 
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John Eales (66)

Agreed completely. Latu is seriously performing, I just can’t yet accept there isn’t a better way. I’d have him on the pine.

BUT with the way Latu is going I am nowhere near as anti him starting as I thought I would be. Bloke deserves accolades.
 

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Tim Horan (67)
I think that we are looking at him as an individual and not how his selection effects other parts of our game.

Our driving maul was insipid against Wales, and we had plenty of opportunities. Faaingaa as part of the Brumbies set up is so much better at driving the maul, he is also bigger and to my eye a better ball carrier. Call it personal preference, but I think we are better side with Faaingaa in it, and I do not know why we swapped hookers to start this tournament.
He's certainly better than Uelese and I can't see why he's not at least on the bench.
 

Brumby Runner

Tim Horan (67)
How long do you think before Australia ditches the Giteau rule and goes down the same path as South Africa? I'm betting that it will happen before the next WC.

I think it won't make a lot of difference as the NH sides will make it as difficult as possible to call on any Wallabies in the test window as they did with To'omua and TPN (Tatafu Polota-Nau) this year. Anyway, I think Rory Arnold might be the only real loss this year. Not sure now if Kerevi is a net gain or loss to the Wallabies.
 

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Tim Horan (67)
I think it won't make a lot of difference as the NH sides will make it as difficult as possible to call on any Wallabies in the test window as they did with To'omua and TPN (Tatafu Polota-Nau) this year. Anyway, I think Rory Arnold might be the only real loss this year. Not sure now if Kerevi is a net gain or loss to the Wallabies.
Loss. He's unreal.

If he could just figure out how to pass.
 
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Bobby Sands

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Loss. He's unreal.

If he could just figure out how to pass.

Yep, he's obviously a loss (to say otherwise is a bit strange) but if you read the Reds forum many (myself included) have spoken have his deficiencies in depth.

He strengths are almost unparalleled that it has stymied the growth of other parts of his game (although improving).

Small things like holding the ball in two hands, and carrying the ball in the outside hand (closest to the sideline) are basic fundamentals of the game that players in NZ bed down in primary school. For some reason in Australia we do not enforce these coaching principles (basics) and many of our professionals do not even do them.

Part of the reason I am so bullish on Jordy is that he does all of these small (detail) things, and was obviously coached very well at a young age.
 

Joe Blow

John Thornett (49)
He's certainly better than Uelese and I can't see why he's not at least on the bench.
Matter of opinion. Latu and Uelese are stronger at scrumtime and Latu offers more around the pitch.
Obviously the selectors see something. No doubt FF (Folau Fainga'a) will get plenty of time next game to stake a claim.
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Matter of opinion. Latu and Uelese are stronger at scrumtime and Latu offers more around the pitch.


That's the thing about opinions........ I can't agree with any of that statement.

FF (Folau Fainga'a) is a better scrummager, and better around the pitch than Uelese, who is still cashing in on a bench cameo from two years ago.
 

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Paul McLean (56)
That's the thing about opinions.... I can't agree with any of that statement.

FF (Folau Fainga'a) is a better scrummager, and better around the pitch than Uelese, who is still cashing in on a bench cameo from two years ago.


I'd feel more comfortable with FF (Folau Fainga'a) throwing a line-out in the last 20mins then Uelese too. I just feel he's probably played a few more bigger matches and would handle the pressure better.

Around the park FF (Folau Fainga'a) is solid, maybe you'd give Uelese the edge but again, I'd just feel FF (Folau Fainga'a) would be the safer option.
 

Joe Blow

John Thornett (49)
There we go. As you know I was always a Uelese fan. I like FF (Folau Fainga'a) as well but he has done nothing special at test level.
Obviously the selectors are also a fan for whatever reason. I actually expected Latu to be the third option but he has really repaid the faith so far.
I’m guessing that it is the scrum work that is putting Uelese in the 23 and that he has similar attributes to a young TPN (Tatafu Polota-Nau). Latu is also a beast in the scrum.
 

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Tim Horan (67)
Yep, he's obviously a loss (to say otherwise is a bit strange) but if you read the Reds forum many (myself included) have spoken have his deficiencies in depth.

He strengths are almost unparalleled that it has stymied the growth of other parts of his game (although improving).

Small things like holding the ball in two hands, and carrying the ball in the outside hand (closest to the sideline) are basic fundamentals of the game that players in NZ bed down in primary school. For some reason in Australia we do not enforce these coaching principles (basics) and many of our professionals do not even do them.

Part of the reason I am so bullish on Jordy is that he does all of these small (detail) things, and was obviously coached very well at a young age.
He's the last great hope really. Let's see if he runs out on the next two matches and can be a point of difference against England.
 
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