Springboks EOYT

[Logorrhea]

Claiming it was a non-event means one of two things; one, you didn't watch the game; or two, you're on a troll.

Your talking about one scrum in the last 2 minutes of the game where Connacht drove us off the ball? Thats it? One scrum and Healy is shite and I'm a spoofer? I presume you didnt think that way when Horan, Hayes and Mushy were getting shunted off the ball with ease throughout their career?

Get over yourself.

I dont think many in Leinster would have Toner in front of MOD, they would have Cullen ahead of him. We'd have Toner (or Nagle, or Casey or anyone) ahead of D Ryan. If you need cover for second row why not put a second row on the bench to cover instead of a fourth choice, off-form backrow?

I've no problem with Wallace ahead of O'Brien, but Leamy ahead of him? Daft decision. I would have put Stringer in ahead of Reddan, and Mushy for Ross is fine (Would have put Ross on the bench though).

Oh .......... its forcasted to be hurricane winds and flood conditions in Dublin. My prediction was daft. Ireland to win 7-6.

 

[Thomond78]

22 man panel. You have to have cover. O'Brien only covers openside. Leamy, who's on stunning form at the moment, covers 6 and 8, as well as 7 at a pinch. No-brainer; you pick the guy who covers more.

And the fact that Court is on the bench has clearly escaped you as well. Court is there because he can cover loosehead. If they were worried about TH, they'd have a specialist TH in. They're not. They feel they have to have a guy there who can cover LH. They are worried about Healy, and rightly; because Healy has been reamed, blind, on a regular basis over the last year. Everyone knows by know he buckles on a fast hit. Cullen and Hines, together, being dandy scrummagers, can hide it; but when you've a team with as strong second rows, like Toulouse, it gets embarrassing, fast.

 

[macg101]

Leamy, O'Brien, O'Gara, Stringer, Cronin... Quality players not in the starting line up and arguably could be.. happy days we actually have some competition.. would be worrying if it was all set in stone would it not?

 

[Thomond78]

Leamy, O'Brien, O'Gara, Stringer, Cronin... Quality players not in the starting line up and arguably could be.. happy days we actually have some competition.. would be worrying if it was all set in stone would it not?

No disagreement with that.

 

[PaarlBok]

Ireland by 10-15 I'd say. Primarily down to the makeshift nature of the springbok team.

Make shift you say, maybe 13. Bok engine
1 Beast - 2 Bismarck - 3 Jannie All Sharks
4 Matfield 5 Bakkies All Brutes
7 Juan Smith World Class
6 Steggies 8 Spies Brutes
9 Pienaar 10 Morne (they sat along its other in grade 1 at Grey Bloem, play to gether since then, best maatjies, two Osfonteiners)
12 Jean 13 Kirschner - dodgey on defense, our problem area
14 Basson - shiner and form CC winger.
11 Habana and 15 Muskiet - WP team mates.

Bench have some real exciting form impact youngsters in vd Hougaard/Merwe/Daniels/Lampie.

Bokke by 12 ! It can get much uglier then most think, specially the Iere, it sound like they just need to pitch up for this test but in my books our best pack by far all season.

If the weather is kak, even better.

 

[macg101]

Make shift you say, maybe 13. Bok engine
1 Beast - 2 Bismarck - 3 Jannie All Sharks
4 Matfield 5 Bakkies All Brutes
7 Juan Smith World Class
6 Steggies 8 Spies Brutes
9 Pienaar 10 Morne (they sat along its other in grade 1 at Grey Bloem, play to gether since then, best maatjies, two Osfonteiners)
12 Jean 13 Kirschner - dodgey on defense, our problem area
14 Basson - shiner and form CC winger.
11 Habana and 15 Muskiet - WP team mates.

Bench have some real exciting form impact youngsters in vd Hougaard/Merwe/Daniels/Lampie.

Bokke by 12 ! It can get much uglier then most think, specially the Iere, it sound like they just need to pitch up for this test but in my books our best pack by far all season.

If the weather is kak, even better.

I agree Paarlbok thats a good Team and we will have to play to our best to have a chance of beating it!

 

[Thomond78]

Make shift you say, maybe 13. Bok engine
1 Beast - 2 Bismarck - 3 Jannie All Sharks
4 Matfield 5 Bakkies All Brutes
7 Juan Smith World Class
6 Steggies 8 Spies Brutes
9 Pienaar 10 Morne (they sat along its other in grade 1 at Grey Bloem, play to gether since then, best maatjies, two Osfonteiners)
12 Jean 13 Kirschner - dodgey on defense, our problem area
14 Basson - shiner and form CC winger.
11 Habana and 15 Muskiet - WP team mates.

Bench have some real exciting form impact youngsters in vd Hougaard/Merwe/Daniels/Lampie.

Bokke by 12 ! It can get much uglier then most think, specially the Iere, it sound like they just need to pitch up for this test but in my books our best pack by far all season.

If the weather is kak, even better.

Ag, Oom, moenie aan dié doos luister nie; 'n mens kan nooit enigiets wat iemand wie in 'n blou hempie speel oor rugby se glo nie...

 

[PaarlBok]

Ag, Oom, moenie aan dié doos luister nie; 'n mens kan nooit enigiets wat iemand wie in 'n blou hempie speel oor rugby se glo nie...

:nta: Blou hempie? Anyway lets see what happen tomorrow. Baie Blou hempies (the Brute one) in the Bok team and hope they fire tomorrow.

Matfield, Bakkies, Spies, Stegman and Morne will play a critical role and havent played much rugby for a long time. They'll be probably hunger for rugby action.

 

[Logorrhea]

22 man panel. You have to have cover. O'Brien only covers openside. Leamy, who's on stunning form at the moment, covers 6 and 8, as well as 7 at a pinch. No-brainer; you pick the guy who covers more.

And the fact that Court is on the bench has clearly escaped you as well. Court is there because he can cover loosehead. If they were worried about TH, they'd have a specialist TH in. They're not. They feel they have to have a guy there who can cover LH. They are worried about Healy, and rightly; because Healy has been reamed, blind, on a regular basis over the last year. Everyone knows by know he buckles on a fast hit. Cullen and Hines, together, being dandy scrummagers, can hide it; but when you've a team with as strong second rows, like Toulouse, it gets embarrassing, fast.

A here .... now your just being obviously bias. O'Brien has played 6, 7 and 8 so far this year (you want flexibility?).

Van deLinde and Wright also got mullered by that Toulouse scrum, the coaches owned up to being undercooked in that area but didnt the Munster forwards also got destroyed by Biarritz that same weekend?

At least try to be objective and dont take it so personally when someone has a differing viewpoint.

As for the Boks selection, by makeshift I meant there are too many unknown combinations in there. It could be a dramatic reversal of fortunes and the younsters could score 10 tries but you'd have to think that in your first game in 6 weeks (?), in freezing windy Dublin, at the end of a long season, without 10+ of your usual squad around you, your going to be up against it.

 

[PaarlBok]

As for the Boks selection, by makeshift I meant there are too many unknown combinations in there. It could be a dramatic reversal of fortunes and the younsters could score 10 tries but you'd have to think that in your first game in 6 weeks (?), in freezing windy Dublin, at the end of a long season, without 10+ of your usual squad around you, your going to be up against it.

Call the unknow combinations? Only in midfield. Dont know what you mean by usual squad, our usual 3 Nation squad was pretty kak and I can promise you with Bismarck and Stegmann in this pack, someone in that Bok selector corps finally after years have some sense in their head. We had Brussouw last year, we dont had him this year and the one player we needed most. Stegman and Brussouw played in tandem with Bismarck for Grey Bloem. He have a change now to make his mark. Its do or die for him.

Anyway lets see whats going to happen. You probably know better then me regarding Pienaar. You do know Morne Steyn sits in a world record at this moment for successfull kicks in test rugby?

 

[Thomond78]

Call the unknow combinations? Only in midfield. Dont know what you mean by usual squad, our usual 3 Nation squad was pretty kak and I can promise you with Bismarck and Stegmann in this pack, someone in that Bok selector corps finally after years have some sense in their head. We had Brussouw last year, we dont had him this year and the one player we needed most. Stegman and Brussouw played in tandem with Bismarck for Grey Bloem. He have a change now to make his mark. Its do or die for him.

Anyway lets see whats going to happen. You probably know better then me regarding Pienaar. You do know Morne Steyn sits in a world record at this moment for successfull kicks in test rugby?

Moenie vergeet, Oom; hy dink niemand in SA het ooit in die reen gespeel nie. Want almal ken, dit reen nie in Newlands nie...

 

[Blue]

A here .... now your just being obviously bias. O'Brien has played 6, 7 and 8 so far this year (you want flexibility?).

Van deLinde and Wright also got mullered by that Toulouse scrum, the coaches owned up to being undercooked in that area but didnt the Munster forwards also got destroyed by Biarritz that same weekend?

At least try to be objective and don't take it so personally when someone has a differing viewpoint.

As for the Boks selection, by makeshift I meant there are too many unknown combinations in there. It could be a dramatic reversal of fortunes and the younsters could score 10 tries but you'd have to think that in your first game in 6 weeks (?), in freezing windy Dublin, at the end of a long season, without 10+ of your usual squad around you, your going to be up against it.

The selection of vd Linde remains an enigma, although he is the only top flight prop on SA who can genuinely play both sides (equally badly I guess at the moment). He was a great player up to the 2007 World Cup and then went backwards at a rate of knots. He still seems to carry injuries at the moment.

Sure we have some untried combinations, which for the last three years have been the case due to injuries (and at times perplexing selections).

It's an opportunity for a few players. The big problem is at 13 and is why I believe we will lose. It will not be Kirchner's fault when BOD turns him inside out. He is not meant to have to be there. Problem is the selectors are damned if they do, damned if they don't. They want to blood Lambie from the bench but I sincerely hope it is at 10.

As Paarl points out, the midfield is the only are where the players haven't played together. If Kirchner misses a few tackles we will see how bold PdV is to pull him at half time. Hopefully not too late. If Kirchner can miraculously hold on we can win this but my call is still Ireland by 7+

I think T78 is saying too many Bulls players? Who would you drop and who would you replace them with? The only Bulls player I would not play is Spies. HE would be on the bench. Rest pick themselves.

 

[Thomond78]

The selection of vd Linde remains an enigma, although he is the only top flight prop on SA who can genuinely play both sides (equally badly I guess at the moment). He was a great player up to the 2007 World Cup and then went backwards at a rate of knots. He still seems to carry injuries at the moment.

Sure we have some untried combinations, which for the last three years have been the case due to injuries (and at times perplexing selections).

It's an opportunity for a few players. The big problem is at 13 and is why I believe we will lose. It will not be Kirchner's fault when BOD turns him inside out. He is not meant to have to be there. Problem is the selectors are damned if they do, damned if they don't. They want to blood Lambie from the bench but I sincerely hope it is at 10.

As Paarl points out, the midfield is the only are where the players haven't played together. If Kirchner misses a few tackles we will see how bold PdV is to pull him at half time. Hopefully not too late. If Kirchner can miraculously hold on we can win this but my call is still Ireland by 7+

I think T78 is saying too many Bulls players? Who would you drop and who would you replace them with? The only Bulls player I would not play is Spies. HE would be on the bench. Rest pick themselves.

For once in my life, no, Blue, I'm not bagging the Blou Bliksems. Laat ons net se, ek vis nie hier vir geelbekke nie...

 

[macg101]

hey lads, whats the story with Fionn Carr, I thought he would at least get a call up to the panel, I know were strong in that position but surely he is worth a look based on the start of the year.

 

[Thomond78]

hey lads, whats the story with Fionn Carr, I thought he would at least get a call up to the panel, I know were strong in that position but surely he is worth a look based on the start of the year.

Though he would have, too; he's definitely got pace, and I wouldn't have minded seeing him get a gallop against, say, Samoa.

 

[macg101]

Though he would have, too; he's definitely got pace, and I wouldn't have minded seeing him get a gallop against, say, Samoa.

could only be his defence, have only got to see bout 3 of Connaughts matches so far this season but he was absolutly ripping the likes of Cardiff apart, its unfortunate because he surely wont get another opportunity to get a run out between now and the wc..

 

[Lindommer]

No Welsh heritage thank fook.

Thought there might be a Dai in your background somewhere.

 

[Thomond78]

On Healy, Reddan and Best - I bloody told you so!

 

[dobduff11]

Back line looked very rusty today, Fitzgerald was sprightly but kept making mistakes,

laughed at reddan when he threw the intercept and tried to chase down Juan Smith,

Great effort by Kearney today especially on the chase and also the try and covering back

 

[Blue]

Well that was a surprise. I did not expect us to dominate like that. With all due respect to the Irish, our mistakes kept Ireland in the game and there should have been at least 15 points betrween the teams.

The first Irish try was well worked but thesecond was a big defensive lapse from us. Stoked that it took 77 minutes for the defenseive errors to make an impact. Full credit the Kirchner who was given a job and stood up big time.

This could spell the beginning of the end for John Smit. Battleship makes such a difference and Matfield captained well under trying circumstances.

The sub of Steyn for Lambie made no sense. Kirchner should have been taken off and Steyn to 12. Another sub mistake by the Bok coaches. Steyn was taking control and his kicking was flawless. It was obvious to see that taking him off was stupid.

I couldn't decide who was the biggest pussy. Spies or Buckley, who looks a big lump of lard. He got totally owned in the scrums by the Beast who I have to say has improved out of sight at scrum time. Spies go tackled back time and time again. With that physique he should make more yards. Kanko should start against the Welsh and Alberts against to Poms. I'd give Daniel a run against the Welsh.

We'll take it.