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Subbies 2023!

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
I've said it many times in here that I think the Subbies board is not reflective of Western Sydney

The Board appointed at the last AGM had representatives from Epping, Renegades, Blue Mountains, and Hawkesbury Valley.

The other members were UNSW, Harlequins, Hunters Hill, Knox, Burraneer, and St Pats.

I would say that 40% is fairly proportional to the location of the teams, yes? Let's remember that it isn't just about "west" - it is also about those north and south EDIT where most of the smaller clubs reside.
 
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Denistone_Dennis

Chris McKivat (8)
Long term, probably unsustainable.

Looking at the facts:
- Epping have had Colts in the past
- I know from speaking to various members of Epping's Committee, it has become harder to recruit and maintain due to a range of factors. Even pre-COVID it was a struggle to get a team on the park week-to-week.
- I have spoken to Hunters Hill and others about the increasing challenges of recruiting Colts. Retention also an issue.
- Out of the other clubs in Div 2, nobody has had as visible an issue fielding Colts. Only forfeit this year was Valley @ Lindfield.
Seeing 15 names on a teamsheet isn't not having a visible issue fielding colts. Most of the clubs in that division would have had issues getting 15 players on the park multiple times during the season, right up to game day.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
I think the Subbies board need to really open their eyes to this and be willing to listen to other ideas.

And yet I've seen no submission at any Board meeting in the last 4 years to change things in terms of competition structure.

If we get enough like-minded people in the room, perhaps there is more space for consideration.
 
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Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Seeing 15 names on a teamsheet isn't not having a visible issue fielding colts. Most of the clubs in that division would have had issues getting 15 players on the park multiple times during the season, right up to game day.

Also true. But I said "as visible an issue" meaning Epping were obviously getting help from Hunters Hill. If others were suffering in silence, it is up to them to speak about it.

Can only go off the evidence presented. Besides Lindfield and Newport dominating, everyone met their obligations, which Prodigy has pointed out multiple times is a strength of Epping's Grade program, not much else to be drawn from that.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
I feel like the Board think that they are making the best decisions for the game, however, I think there is alot of "what's best for my club" in it.

Your alernative model(s) have a bias toward Epping's needs of 3-4 Grades and a decoupled Colts requirement.

Nothing wrong with that, though it makes a lot of assumptions about what other clubs can do or will fit in with. Will a former 5th Division club agree to a 12:55PM kick off in the event this model happens? After all their guys spent time getting used to 3:15PM?

Worth remembering when you question the motives of the board or its members.
 
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Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
If we have a 5th grade game that’s kicking off at around 9.45am with players arriving at 9am, then 1st grade finishing at 5pm. That’s a long time for either a club official or player to hang around all day. Whether they have family, kids or other priorities is a whole other topic in itself.

And that doesn't take into account the other hours a club volunteer puts in during the week. Training nights for coaches and support staff. Communication time from managers. Everything else from Club Secretaries ;)

Friday night would also be interesting in that regard. Worked for finals, but I think the risk is further fracturing a club e.g. Epping's experience of two grades here, two grades there. Tough to breed a bit of club spirit when you're getting results from the other grades by phone or Cluch...

The situation was chaos the last three years so we should test out various things.
 
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Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Now that NSW Rugby have centralized as part of Rugby Australia, maybe our tokenistic payments made to NSW Rugby will be removed and our fees to players reduced

I'd like to see a model where NSW Rugby steps in and assists clubs with recruitment from schools into Colts programs. Local schools and juniors should be aligned with clubs - and not just Premier Clubs - in order to keep people in the game. Start an U19 comp if that's what it takes (Subbies had U19 about a decade ago) and help clubs with recruitment and retention.

Rugby League does this well via their club structures. No reason we can't either.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Go away hiking for the weekend and come back to more activity than just about any time during the season :)
 

The Wombat

Allen Oxlade (6)
BROTHERS RUGBY SYDNEY SIGNS SECOND MOU

After having signed a MOU to be the official community rugby partner of Australian Catholic University Sydney, Brothers Rugby Sydney has also signed a MOU with Campion College, a Catholic liberal arts university based at Toongabbie. Although small, it is on a strong growth path and our MOU also extends to alumni of Campion who the college will encourage to join Brothers if they wish to play rugby. As with ACU this MOU is in effect for three years. We will provide one competitive education scholarship to Campion College in return.

ACU have also welcomed members of Campion to join the 'Try Women's Sevens Rugby' program we have been engaged to run for ACU at their Strathfield campus at the start of first semester in 2024. This should further boost our chances of fielding a Women's Sevens team in 2024.

This is another example of the innovative ways the committee is looking to re-invigorate the club starting in 2024. In order to be realised, all of our plans require the efforts of club members and supporters, and we will be seeking assistance from anyone capable and willing to provide it. More details will follow, but for the moment please note the efforts we are making to re-grow the club.
 

Prodigy

Alex Ross (28)
Genuine question for clubs and those running it:
One of the big drivers and incentives for sponsorship has been the ability to promote the Cluch/NSW Rugby TV footage. Given the recent information about this being influx, are clubs still including it as part of their sponsorship plans for 2024?
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Genuine question for clubs and those running it:
One of the big drivers and incentives for sponsorship has been the ability to promote the Cluch/NSW Rugby TV footage. Given the recent information about this being influx, are clubs still including it as part of their sponsorship plans for 2024?

It isn't the base of how we sell sponsorships but I reckon a few clubs would have put that into their structures.
 

footy_footy

Herbert Moran (7)
BROTHERS RUGBY SYDNEY SIGNS SECOND MOU

After having signed a MOU to be the official community rugby partner of Australian Catholic University Sydney, Brothers Rugby Sydney has also signed a MOU with Campion College, a Catholic liberal arts university based at Toongabbie. Although small, it is on a strong growth path and our MOU also extends to alumni of Campion who the college will encourage to join Brothers if they wish to play rugby. As with ACU this MOU is in effect for three years. We will provide one competitive education scholarship to Campion College in return.

ACU have also welcomed members of Campion to join the 'Try Women's Sevens Rugby' program we have been engaged to run for ACU at their Strathfield campus at the start of first semester in 2024. This should further boost our chances of fielding a Women's Sevens team in 2024.

This is another example of the innovative ways the committee is looking to re-invigorate the club starting in 2024. In order to be realised, all of our plans require the efforts of club members and supporters, and we will be seeking assistance from anyone capable and willing to provide it. More details will follow, but for the moment please note the efforts we are making to re-grow the club.
Interesting development, particularly for St Pat's who have been trying to capitalise on the ACU Strathfield campus for some time...
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Mark Ella (57)
Sometimes these seem like sad days but this one feels proactive before things can't be saved. Well done to both Clubs.

There is also a lot of the Iggies players live around or closer to Tantallon as well.

Being 5 mins from the school may give them more visibility to the boys and encourage more to come down as well. Being an area with a lot of Rugby fans and traditional Rugby schools might get a few others show up.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Gotta say the difference between putting up a photo and putting up a short video is crazy different. Well over 500 views for each of our Colts videos. Aiming at Radford Cup for 2024 as it would be a very young team with a lot of league players, so physically hard but Laws and set piece? Hmmm....

 
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