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Hodgson out (and injured anyway) for Elsom or Palu, and maybe Kimlin also gone for the other one of them? Probably Cowan replaced by Dunning.
You'd think no changes in the backline squad.
Hodgson out (and injured anyway) for Elsom or Palu, and maybe Kimlin also gone for the other one of them? Probably Cowan replaced by Dunning.
You'd think no changes in the backline squad.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
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I'm all for that Fatprop, Brown can be used as a jumper as the Frogs showed by using Querogo(???) as probably thier main jumping receiver & he isn't a tall bloke.
We need either Higginbotham or Mowen to come into the squad & drop an openside.
It will be good when we get Elsom back.
I'm all for that Fatprop, Brown can be used as a jumper as the Frogs showed by using Querogo(???) as probably thier main jumping receiver & he isn't a tall bloke.
We need either Higginbotham or Mowen to come into the squad & drop an openside.
It will be good when we get Elsom back.
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Thats actually a great way to set a defensive lineout at 2: you can put the man up there and hold him there a while. Its probably best to be a 6 anyway (or a hooker perhaps) since keeping a fetcher at 7 to pressure the opposition backline is a must also.
Of course, you need to watch the front while you are holding him up there, or its short ball to the prop with his hands on his hips at 1.
fatprop said:
Thats actually a great way to set a defensive lineout at 2: you can put the man up there and hold him there a while. Its probably best to be a 6 anyway (or a hooker perhaps) since keeping a fetcher at 7 to pressure the opposition backline is a must also.
Of course, you need to watch the front while you are holding him up there, or its short ball to the prop with his hands on his hips at 1.
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yeah, its really all about just putting up a jumper at 2; its a statement of intent if nothing else. It makes it harder for a hooker going longer by having to drop the ball more; and if its windy that creates real problems of its own.
I can understand why you'd prefer to set a defensive pattern on a 5m lineout, but even then I'd be tempted to put pressure on. I probably wouldn't, but if the opposition had been having a bad day I'd at least fake that I would do it.
yeah, its really all about just putting up a jumper at 2; its a statement of intent if nothing else. It makes it harder for a hooker going longer by having to drop the ball more; and if its windy that creates real problems of its own.
I can understand why you'd prefer to set a defensive pattern on a 5m lineout, but even then I'd be tempted to put pressure on. I probably wouldn't, but if the opposition had been having a bad day I'd at least fake that I would do it.
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Trevor Allan (34)
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to fetch the waters and hold the tackling bags? but seriously, if he could have gotten himself healthy i would have liked to have seen him get some time before 3N's. need someone to cover the centers and i don't like cross. not sure i like tim tam either though. hopefully morty and barnes can hold up. i fear we're too thin at 10/12/13 cover.
he seems to whenever he has a 4/5/18 on his back. i really wish the selectors would realize this.
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to fetch the waters and hold the tackling bags? but seriously, if he could have gotten himself healthy i would have liked to have seen him get some time before 3N's. need someone to cover the centers and i don't like cross. not sure i like tim tam either though. hopefully morty and barnes can hold up. i fear we're too thin at 10/12/13 cover.
disco said:
he seems to whenever he has a 4/5/18 on his back. i really wish the selectors would realize this.
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Greg Davis (50)
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is there another halfback in the country,
with all respect to the season valo had, coming on with twenty to go, he isnt really an impact player or someone who can ground the game out, he is more likely to give away a penalty or two.
out of the two in the squad, burgo is the starting and impact player we need.
surely there is someone out there who can offer something different in the last twenty if we need it, is genia even close to fit?
i think mowen has to have a run at 6, he had a great year and with hodgo and rocky out, mumm is the utility you want for the bench.
i think were to quick to judge being on the bench as being a failure in this country, i know they all want to make the 15 and thats good, but good bench players at this level are fantastic to have.
we have a few players with alot of versatility, mumm is the ideal bench forward as AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) (if he hadnt hit form at fullback) is the ideal bench back.
is there another halfback in the country,
with all respect to the season valo had, coming on with twenty to go, he isnt really an impact player or someone who can ground the game out, he is more likely to give away a penalty or two.
out of the two in the squad, burgo is the starting and impact player we need.
surely there is someone out there who can offer something different in the last twenty if we need it, is genia even close to fit?
i think mowen has to have a run at 6, he had a great year and with hodgo and rocky out, mumm is the utility you want for the bench.
i think were to quick to judge being on the bench as being a failure in this country, i know they all want to make the 15 and thats good, but good bench players at this level are fantastic to have.
we have a few players with alot of versatility, mumm is the ideal bench forward as AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) (if he hadnt hit form at fullback) is the ideal bench back.
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John Eales (66)
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And Baxter is tall.
We fans don't study stats enough but coaches do. They know that Mowen, near enough, took as many S14 lineouts for the Tahs as Mumm and Caldwell combined, and was 3rd of all S14 players this year. Front of the lineout ball, which Mowen gets, is not that great but it's not his fault that the call came to him a lot.
The more impressive stat is that: in that total of lineout wins Mowen had easily the highest number of lineout steals of any S14 player in 2009 and the same, near enough, as Matfield and Bakkies combined.
Deans will know all of this and more .......
.............. including the stat that Brown (the same height as Ouedraogo) averaged 3 takes per game for the Force and they were at the back and thus less certain.
Coaching staffs are privy to more stats than are available to us and they look at non-stat things such as time spent on the ground, backing up efforts whether used or not, number of ruck participations broken up into categories, yarda yarda. They also watch the game many times including, for home games, at least once from each camera; so they are able to judge the value of players better than we can.
The demotion of Mumm to the bench until Rocky is available is an option, but the intangible attributes of players are taken into account also.
fatprop said:
And Baxter is tall.
We fans don't study stats enough but coaches do. They know that Mowen, near enough, took as many S14 lineouts for the Tahs as Mumm and Caldwell combined, and was 3rd of all S14 players this year. Front of the lineout ball, which Mowen gets, is not that great but it's not his fault that the call came to him a lot.
The more impressive stat is that: in that total of lineout wins Mowen had easily the highest number of lineout steals of any S14 player in 2009 and the same, near enough, as Matfield and Bakkies combined.
Deans will know all of this and more .......
disco said:
.............. including the stat that Brown (the same height as Ouedraogo) averaged 3 takes per game for the Force and they were at the back and thus less certain.
Coaching staffs are privy to more stats than are available to us and they look at non-stat things such as time spent on the ground, backing up efforts whether used or not, number of ruck participations broken up into categories, yarda yarda. They also watch the game many times including, for home games, at least once from each camera; so they are able to judge the value of players better than we can.
The demotion of Mumm to the bench until Rocky is available is an option, but the intangible attributes of players are taken into account also.
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We need another ball-carrier at 6. Mowan or Mitch.
We need another ball-carrier at 6. Mowan or Mitch.
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